HH210 question

[Dan]

Went to Airgas today (Thursday) and on the show room floor singled out by itself, making it the most visible unit on the floor, was a Hobart Handler 210 taunting me.

So, since we've know about this unit for a while now, and a few board member own one, when are we going to see the unit listed in the product section on this site?

[Sully2]

Cant you "modify" that MM210 to make it "mobile"???

(Sounds to me like you JUST want a new toy..... )

[Dan]

Originally Posted by Sully2

Cant you "modify" that MM210 to make it "mobile"???

(Sounds to me like you JUST want a new toy..... )

Don't make me delete your post.

[Brand X]

Originally Posted by Dan

Don't make me delete your post.

I wonder if you could make a 350 MPI mobile?? They have a pelican case Esab feeder and a MPI at my Airgas. It was calling your name yesterday. I am pretty sure it was your name??

[Dan]

Originally Posted by Brand X

I wonder if you could make a 350 MPI mobile?? They have a pelican case Esab feeder and a MPI at my Airgas. It was calling your name yesterday. I am pretty sure it was your name??

Great, now Sully is safe. I can't delete this thread now, because you've been trying to push my buttons for years. So, if I delete this thread now, you'll finally have won.

Man, as long as I have these horses eating up a big chunk of my monthly income, units with a variable inductance are going to be beyond my budget. I've accepted that I just have to suffer along with my nice running HH 187 and Migmaster 250. Oh yeah and the 210 too, unless some one else here is interested in it.

[Sully2]

Originally Posted by Dan

Great, now Sully is safe. I can't delete this thread now, because you've been trying to push my buttons for years. So, if I delete this thread now, you'll finally have won.

Man, as long as I have these horses eating up a big chunk of my monthly income, units with a variable inductance are going to be beyond my budget. I've accepted that I just have to suffer along with my nice running HH 187 and Migmaster 250. Oh yeah and the 210 too, unless some one else here is interested in it.

I was just thinking that since you have "live stock" there...ya migh think about getting a PACK MULE and just loading the MM210 on it.....LMAO.

[Brand X]

So, if I delete this thread now, you'll finally have won.

I thought I already did??? Seems like you have a yellow unit already. Just trying to push you to the next level. (not in ability) Just in the arc/ puddle wet out you been looking for. Remember the MPI has some slope setting if you ever get tired of a inductance control,

[Dan]

Originally Posted by Brand X

So, if I delete this thread now, you'll finally have won.

I thought I already did??? Seems like you have a yellow unit already. Just trying to push you to the next level. (not in ability) Just in the arc/ puddle wet out you been looking for. Remember the MPI has some slope setting if you ever get tired of a inductance control,

I never had an issue with the yellow units, just never had a chance to run one until my Praxair was transformed into an Airgas. Am I 100% satisfied with the Migmaster 250? No, I'd say I am 95% satified though, meaning it's close to what I am looking for but not quite there. The 251 would get about a 90% rating.

You're just going to have to accept the fact that since the 350 MPI is strictly a power source, and requires the addition of a feeder too, it'll never be with in my budget range.

You'd be more successful in your teachings , by continuing to push the 260 instead. I seriously doubt though, that Lanet would be pleased with me selling (OK, allow me to sell) the Migmaster 250, MM 210 , and PM 180C, to finance such a purchase. She's only OK with the idea of selling the MM 210, because if I sell it now I would break even. Notice I didn't mention the 187. I 'd be a fool to get rid of a unit that performs so well, no matter the brand of .030 you feed it.

[dda52]

Dan, I am not sure you would be 100% pleased with the HH210 over the MM210. Might happen, just not sure. I like both for different things...that is why there will always be a place for both in my shop......even when I finally get the Shopmate. Right now, I have both set up with different wires and use them accordingly. I doubt I would ever consider getting rid of my MM210.......now for a couple of thousand bux......maybe, but never for less.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by dda52

Dan, I am not sure you would be 100% pleased with the HH210 over the MM210. Might happen, just not sure. I like both for different things...that is why there will always be a place for both in my shop......even when I finally get the Shopmate. Right now, I have both set up with different wires and use them accordingly. I doubt I would ever consider getting rid of my MM210.......now for a couple of thousand bux......maybe, but never for less.

Don, are you basing this on the difference in top end power?

Remember anymore, this 250+ unit (see attachment) is sitting right next the MM 210. I no longer have the room here at home to store a floor model unit. Luckily, my HH 187 fits nicely under the work bench in the small 8X12 hobby/storage room my landlord added under the carport (my work shop here at home ) for us. Yeah, I need to move. Two horses don't help make this an easy thing to do though.

Truthfully anymore, since I am truly only a hobbyist weldor at home, I could honestly get by just fine with selling the 210 , and sticking the money in the bank, which then my wife would probably end up spending on a new couch for the front room. In such case, I think I 'd rather have the HH 210 to play with.

[dda52]

I keep forgetting about the Esab. No, what I was thinking is voltage and duty cycle. For home or hobby, yeah, it is just right. I want a little more voltage on the top end, but then that is personal preference. It works just fine as it is. For the vast majority of what I have seen you doing over the years, I believe it would be just fine. The Esab could take up any slack that is left over. The HH is definitely a better deal than a new couch. Take one for a drive...you just may like it.

I just reread your post...yes, top end is one aspect...again, enter Mr. Esab.

[Brand X]

No, I'd say I am 95% satified though, meaning it's close to what I am looking for but not quite there. The 251 would get about a 90% rating.

I bet the Esab 250 plus would get you to 98% 99% for the Mutimaster 260 and 100% for the 350 MPI. Which is 1000% better then a MM-251/252.

Dan,
I will be driving down Highway 22 with the 260 Mutimaster and if you would like to try it I could stop. Get this, I am using a horse trailer to move it. I think my HH-210 and Arcmaster 185 might be joining it.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by Brand X

No, I'd say I am 95% satified though, meaning it's close to what I am looking for but not quite there. The 251 would get about a 90% rating.

I bet the Esab 250 plus would get you to 98% 99% for the Mutimaster 260 and 100% for the 350 MPI. Which is 1000% better then a MM-251/252.

Dan,
I will be driving down Highway 22 with the 260 Mutimaster and if you would like to try it I could stop. Get this, I am using a horse trailer to move it. I think my HH-210 and Arcmaster 185 might be joining it.

Is your thinking that I'd like the Plus model a little better, due to the extra inductance tap, and burn back timer?

The 260 being better is pretty obvious, due to the variable voltage control, and the addition of the variable inductance control. I suspect if I had the 260 I'd more then likely be 100% pleased.

I appreciate you're willing to give me a look at the 260. I'll have to decline the offer though, because at this point I really have no intention of selling off the Migmaster 250, or Logan's PM 180C. For what my true needs are the the 250 works real well. It's most definitely a real nice .035 spray arc unit, wish I had a unit at work that performed as well.

Speaking of units at work, I finally figured out how to make the MM 250 a decent spray arc unit. I'm rebuilding the load docks at work, which means 1/2" plate and 1/4" wall hinge spools that are going to see alot of shock and stress over the years. No short arc for this. So, I decided to give an .030 wire a try, since .035 always sucks. To my suprise, the unit maintains a stable spray arc, that I can actually fine tune the arc length on. The arc starts are real good too. Due to the joint design, I am having to triple pass the hinge spools to the plates. I've ran quite a bit of weld length and so far I 've experienced zero of the headaches that i use to from an .035 on this unit.

BTW, looks like I am going to have to invest in at least an 8" spool of .023 HB-28, Radnor, or Forney, before I am 100% certain that the ESAB 250 doesn't have a good low end with C-25. After running .023 HB-28 and L-56 on a HH 140 on its lowend, which worked real well, I decided to give the .023 Wa alloy a try you sent, and it made the lowend on the HH 140 pretty poor. The 140 ran the wire about the same way as I remember it being on the ESAB 250.

Doesn't everyone use a horse trailer to transport there welder? Since my wife hasn't had a horse in that last few years that she was able to use at a rodeo, I think my MM 210 and Migmaster 250 have logged more miles in the trailer then either of the horses. Our new edition (Chance) had a fairly lengthy ride from his previous owner's place to the barn were the wife keeps him at though.

[Brand X]

Is your thinking that I'd like the Plus model a little better, due to the extra inductance tap, and burn back timer?

Yes. that helps a bit but I think it's all the extra Copper they put in. The feeding on the Migmaster plus really is better then the standard. When the guide tubes and guns are matched up right, It really does has a very sweet arc. The C-15 and the C-!0 short-arc performance with .023 wire is very very nice. C-10 is all I used on this machine but my older standard unit worked nice with .C-15 and Try-mix mild steel gas too. I tried all sorts of gas mixes with that old unit.

My .023 WA. Alloy is outstanding in the HH-210 and the 260. That is the problem with that wire, It's the best or about the worst there is. kind of like the Hobart HB of a year ago.

[dda52]

Scott, I finally got back to using that wierd WA you sent me. Yes, it does act a little strange, but I am getting much better beads out of it now. Not sure what changed, but in the midrange, it is acting just fine. Maybe I am holding my mouth a little differently? I turned it up to do a little 3/8 on Friday, and bammo.....bleah city. It was very poppy and there was tons of spatter. Couldn't really dial it in quite right. That roll is definitely a strange wire.