M-100 gun for Ironman,real nice!!

[jimcaf]

I just got a M-100 gun for my Ironman 230 today for light sheet metal, 10 ft lead I preferred a 12 but wasn't available in this gun,all in all seems like a great deal for $89 delivered. Its light,small,very flexible lead and feeds the 023 real accurate. I would like if the end of the nozzle was a little more tapered,its kind of fat and blocks the view of the puddle a bit.The trigger has a nice full pull, The fit and finish on the back end looks like better quality then the factory gun.

[Scott V]

I just got a M-100 gun for my Ironman 230 today for light sheet metal, 10 ft lead I preferred a 12 but wasn't available in this gun,all in all seems like a great deal for $89 delivered. Its light,small,very flexible lead and feeds the 023 real accurate. I would like if the end of the nozzle was a little more tapered,its kind of fat and blocks the view of the puddle a bit.The trigger has a nice full pull, The fit and finish on the back end looks like better quality then the factory gun.

Jim,
pop the ball socket out of one of your Esab guns, and try it on this gun..

[Flux Core joe]

I just got a M-100 gun for my Ironman 230 today for light sheet metal, 10 ft lead I preferred a 12 but wasn't available in this gun,all in all seems like a great deal for $89 delivered. Its light,small,very flexible lead and feeds the 023 real accurate. I would like if the end of the nozzle was a little more tapered,its kind of fat and blocks the view of the puddle a bit.The trigger has a nice full pull, The fit and finish on the back end looks like better quality then the factory gun.

Is your hobart mig gun a solid one? when i was at tsc i was playing with a handler 125 and the gun seemed like it was made out of cheap plastic

[Dan]

Jim,

HTP website shows the gun available in 10', 12', and 15' lengths. Info on the website could be old though. Did you communicate with Jeff Nolan on the available gun length or was this an E bay purchase, and 10' was the only length being sold?

The nozzle is a Miller/Hobart style. It would be nice if Miller/Hobart were to offer a nozzle with more taper to it.

Shorten that nozzle up about an 1/8", so that contact tip extends past, and it'll help with puddle visiblity. The material on the exit end of the nozzle on a Hobart/Miller nozzle is thick enough that you could retaper it some after shortening it. I haven't seen an HTP nozzle though, to know if they are identical to the Miller/Hobart.

[jimcaf]

Jim,
pop the ball socket out of one of your Esab guns, and try it on this gun..

Scott ,,I havnt looked at the ball socket yet,Actually between the light weight flexible liner and light spring it feels real good out of the box..

[jimcaf]

Is your hobart mig gun a solid one? when i was at tsc i was playing with a handler 125 and the gun seemed like it was made out of cheap plastic

Joe the 230 comes with a real stout gun,it a little to big and clumsy for doing light sheet metal work

[jimcaf]

Jim,

HTP website shows the gun available in 10', 12', and 15' lengths. Info on the website could be old though. Did you communicate with Jeff Nolan on the available gun length or was this an E bay purchase, and 10' was the only length being sold?

The nozzle is a Miller/Hobart style. It would be nice if Miller/Hobart were to offer a nozzle with more taper to it.

Shorten that nozzle up about an 1/8", so that contact tip extends past, and it'll help with puddle visiblity. The material on the exit end of the nozzle on a Hobart/Miller nozzle is thick enough that you could retaper it some after shortening it. I haven't seen an HTP nozzle though, to know if they are identical to the Miller/Hobart.

Dan,,I talked to Diane before buying it on ebay, this is the smaller 100 amp gun,She told me the M-10 and the M-100 were both the same gun... the (M-25)150 amp gun came thru in 12 and 15 foot.
I had a spare nozzle off on of my handlers and it is an exact copy.I was looking at what you recommended trimming it down and tapering it on the exit end will make a good fix.

[Scott V]

Jim,
I had no one to call about my gun... So I turned my Euro into a Tweco.. Now I have a pretty nice 240 amp/ 15ft
setup ,that works on all feeders/machines (Except the Caddymigs but parts fit them) $60.00 in parts, because I needed to buy a extra liner for this one. Borrowed it for my Esab MB gun I built.. I think I paid $50.00 for a new old stock euro, and went a different way with feeders. I needed a Tweco back-end gun instead. Two parts did not come in the setup. (Website said it did. (plastic strain relief and a fitting to hold the liner in.) Had the fitting, and made a plastic strain relief for it. Does not do much on this gun style, so easy to make.. I ran a .023-.035 liner (Blue) and it feeds really nice. I have a 12 ft MB-15 that I bought, and it was about $180 by the time I had it shipped here. I do like the neck style, and nozzle setup on this one. The Esab China-man has all the cheap parts for this one.. Just need to beat him up a bit. He only likes to deal .20 cents off. on a make offer. They had thousands of years to learn to be cheap/tight..

[jimcaf]

Jim,
I had no one to call about my gun... So I turned my Euro into a Tweco.. Now I have a pretty nice 240 amp/ 15ft
setup ,that works on all feeders/machines (Except the Caddymigs but parts fit them) $60.00 in parts, because I needed to buy a extra liner for this one. Borrowed it for my Esab MB gun I built.. I think I paid $50.00 for a new old stock euro, and went a different way with feeders. I needed a Tweco back-end gun instead. Two parts did not come in the setup. (Website said it did. (plastic strain relief and a fitting to hold the liner in.) Had the fitting, and made a plastic strain relief for it. Does not do much on this gun style, so easy to make.. I ran a .023-.035 liner (Blue) and it feeds really nice. I have a 12 ft MB-15 that I bought, and it was about $180 by the time I had it shipped here. I do like the neck style, and nozzle setup on this one. The Esab China-man has all the cheap parts for this one.. Just need to beat him up a bit. He only likes to deal .20 cents off. on a make offer. They had thousands of years to learn to be cheap/tight..

Hi Scott,,,your light years ahead of me with some of these guns,Thats a very nice quality looking piece is that a Bernard with a universal back end or do you normally buy the parts and just cut it off and modify them your self and if so where do you get parts to modify back ends? I converted a Profax a couple of years ago from a lincoln to a euro end I remember I had a few hours and about 40 bucks invested to do it and it works well but looks kind of hack, I ended up putting an off road shock absorber boot over it at the machine to hide the ball of electrical tape ..
hahaah,20 cents!!,the China-man isnt very flexible ,,,, speaking of asian made goods my wifes up for a new car what do your think of the new Accent? considering that or mazda3 she wants a stick,they both come thru with 6 speeds,looks like a fun economical ride,I think the Accent has it beat MPG by about 5,,,

[Scott V]

Hi Scott,,,your light years ahead of me with some of these guns,Thats a very nice quality looking piece is that a Bernard with a universal back end or do you normally buy the parts and just cut it off and modify them your self and if so where do you get parts to modify back ends? I converted a Profax a couple of years ago from a lincoln to a euro end I remember I had a few hours and about 40 bucks invested to do it and it works well but looks kind of hack, I ended up putting an off road shock absorber boot over it at the machine to hide the ball of electrical tape ..
hahaah,20 cents!!,the China-man isnt very flexible ,,,, speaking of asian made goods my wifes up for a new car what do your think of the new Accent? considering that or mazda3 she wants a stick,they both come thru with 6 speeds,looks like a fun economical ride,I think the Accent has it beat MPG by about 5,,,

The euro to Tweco uses all factory Binzel parts. no cutting needed..

I just passed 60 g on my 2010. I bought all the parts for the 60 thousand service for about $150. All belts ,and brake shoes rear/pads front. in tank fuel filter/plugs Probably go 80 g on the pads. timing belts too. Redline oil for the trans-axle was the most costly stuff. about $35.00 for 2 qts.. Nice you can do your own service..Heading over MT. Hood and back yesterday netted 44 MPG in mine.. some driving in town in Portland too. This is with 10 % corn gas. It would do better without that garbage.. Cost per mile driven is been really cheap. Hybrid would take all the savings in maintenance/etc... Plus cost about 25g more then mine..

Jim,
one quote from a Parts guy I know... "Stay away from the M cars!" That means all brands of them too.


Jim, who knows more about steel, Mazda or Hyundai?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Steel

[jimcaf]

The euro to Tweco uses all factory Binzel parts. no cutting needed..

I just passed 60 g on my 2010. I bought all the parts for the 60 thousand service for about $150. All belts ,and brake shoes rear/pads front. in tank fuel filter/plugs Probably go 80 g on the pads. timing belts too. Redline oil for the trans-axle was the most costly stuff. about $35.00 for 2 qts.. Nice you can do your own service..Heading over MT. Hood and back yesterday netted 44 MPG in mine.. some driving in town in Portland too. This is with 10 % corn gas. It would do better without that garbage.. Cost per mile driven is been really cheap. Hybrid would take all the savings in maintenance/etc... Plus cost about 25g more then mine..

Jim,
one quote from a Parts guy I know... "Stay away from the M cars!" That means all brands of them too.
Jim, who knows more about steel, Mazda or Hyundai?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Steel

Scott,,,Hyundai and Kia ,,really look like there putting out quality now were back in the 90s there reputation in cars anyway seem to be trash..I always liked Fords but the last V6 Ranger we bought in 2004 has under 100k on it and I had to put new heads on it 40k ago and its acting up again,I have a 2000 4 cyl Ranger with 187k Iv only done 1battery,1 tune up,oil and tires and I think its a Isuzu powered....I like the sounds of 40 plus MPG @ 4 bucks a gal

[Scott V]

Scott,,,Hyundai and Kia ,,really look like there putting out quality now were back in the 90s there reputation in cars anyway seem to be trash..I always liked Fords but the last V6 Ranger we bought in 2004 has under 100k on it and I had to put new heads on it 40k ago and its acting up again,I have a 2000 4 cyl Ranger with 187k Iv only done 1battery,1 tune up,oil and tires and I think its a Isuzu powered....I like the sounds of 40 plus MPG @ 4 bucks a gal

The accent reminds me of of my 2008 ranger (4 banger) The later model 2.3/ 4 cylinder ranger is different then the older 2.3 model. The older ones were bulletproof, but way down in power, compared to the later model units.. I had two trucks and no car , so I traded my Ranger in on the Accent. Made more sense to keep the F-350 dually, and a econ-box.