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    .045Hard Surface wire

    I've been thinking about buying some hard surface wire to build up the edge on some tines on an old rotatiller. I asked about the wire at the local store and they have .045 2lb spools setting on the shelf.
    My question is, will it work well in a Handler 210?
    If not I'm going to see about having them order something smaller.

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    Good questrion. I usually hard surface using SMAW.
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    not having an arc welder, I did a Google search last spring for "hard surface mig wire"

    the 210 will run 045 flux core wire, 035 solid wire but beings the hard surface just lays on top anyway and I'm not going to use it to try to weld 2 pieces of steel together.

    the 045 wire they have has been setting on their shelf for a wile collecting dust and if their going to sell it at a discount I'll buy it before having them order something smaller. either way, the stuff is not cheap. the price for the 2lb spools they had on the shelf was around $25-30 don't remember exactly

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    For the guys that don't want or need .045 hard facing here is an .035

    http://www.hobartbrothers.com/products/McKay/ARMORWEAR/

    Not cheap....16.00 lb on a 10# but if ya needs it ya needs it

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    Interesting. I went and looked at the specification sheet and the wire is listed as highly abrasion resistant. I might try some myself in as much as my local WS is listed as a stocking dealer. Not a big flux core person bit I might run some on the slip shoes on the haybine and compare it to the Abrasoweld I usually use.

    It's real sandy here and steel 'disappears' pretty quick in contact with the ground.
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    Hobart Fabtuff 960 is what lots of excavators use for repairs and buildups but then your back to .045 again and 30lb spools.

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    I had my eye on http://www.thermadyne.com/IM_Uploads...27_Crcw009.pdf
    can be had in 035, 5lb spool and it's not flux core
    Last edited by William McNett; 01-18-2011 at 10:35 AM. Reason: to add "5lb spool"
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    Now there is a head scratcher.....the catalog I have access to shows a revision date of 6/08 and does not show it in .035 but the link page you show has a revise of 1/08 and shows it.
    It is available on the 5# spool and would probably run about 18.00 lb.

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    I put that part # in Airgas web site

    http://www.airgas.com/product/inquiry/STO11929200

    It listed under Tubular Wires (FCAW) as a Semi-Automatic Gas Shielded Hard Facing MIG Wire
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    After more reading:
    http://www.thermadyne.com/IM_Uploads...27_Crcw009.pdf
    which also says "tubular wire"
    the 045 Stoody 101HC-G Current, Amp. DCRP 150 200, should work with the Handler 210, although I may have to swap out the liner, force myself to run shorter beads and take more breaks
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    I've got a HH187 and asked a similar question on another welding site. To summarize what all the posts said..."No. I can't run hardfacing wire with a 187. I'd need a bigger machine."

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    you should be able to run gas shielded .035 Stoody 101HC-G in the 5lb plastic spool @ 80-185 amps
    if vwguy3 is correct it would only cost you $90 to try it
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