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    Question I'm thinking of going to welding school

    Nights, to learn tig. Was a union cert. welder for years. stick and wire feed.
    Weld a little now and again. My question: Any Idea how long it might take an old fart [ 65 ] to do decent welds with Tig

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    If you want to entertain yourself go for it, you have the knowledge to get started and the means to buy the tools, I wouldn't waste my time with school, take a couple spins with the torch and see where you are at. I rarely tig but it wouldn't take long to come to speed if it was something I needed. As for how long, could be a matter of minutes or years depending on how good you want to get, for home brew stuff turn it on, strike an arc. I am a total tig amateur but I can do what I gotta do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toolaholic View Post
    Nights, to learn tig. Was a union cert. welder for years. stick and wire feed.
    Weld a little now and again. My question: Any Idea how long it might take an old fart [ 65 ] to do decent welds with Tig
    I'm 60, and after 30 years, I took an O/A class. You already know about puddle control, DO IT!! Keep your tungsten outta the puddle and keep your filler outta the tungsten.
    9-11-2001......We Will Never Forget

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    Quote Originally Posted by toolaholic View Post
    Nights, to learn tig. Was a union cert. welder for years. stick and wire feed.
    Weld a little now and again. My question: Any Idea how long it might take an old fart [ 65 ] to do decent welds with Tig
    Tool,

    Where ya Takin' the Class ? City or out in Marin?
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    Thumbs up Thank You All

    Carey ,I have never had any exposure to Tig , so I feel I need help.
    Craig,I also never did any gas welding,they may want Me to take a class in that first.
    Broc. In the 80s,I went full time to Laney college in Oakland,
    I'll probably go there nites. If You know about Oakland You'll understand why
    I'll pack My 380 Sig . Should I go for the 250 syncrowave ? I have a MM 210
    with spool gun. 1 tank C-25 1 tank Argon 1 tank try gas. Getting better on allum with Mig. But this will be fun . I expect Most of You to send at least $200
    each for My miller fund. Oh and please no talk of this with My Bride

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    If you have the time, money, and inclination, it never hurts to learn under the supervision of an instructor. He can give you instant feedback and advice on an individual basis to what you are doing wrong.

    Since I assume you're not looking to start a TIG welding career, tell the instructor the main things you want to accomplish with your machine and he'll probably be happy to do some individual course work with you.

    Personally, I'm changing careers into welding at 26, and start school full time on Aug 25th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toolaholic View Post
    Carey ,I have never had any exposure to Tig , so I feel I need help.
    Craig,I also never did any gas welding,they may want Me to take a class in that first.
    Broc. In the 80s,I went full time to Laney college in Oakland,
    I'll probably go there nites. If You know about Oakland You'll understand why
    I'll pack My 380 Sig . Should I go for the 250 syncrowave ? I have a MM 210
    with spool gun. 1 tank C-25 1 tank Argon 1 tank try gas. Getting better on allum with Mig. But this will be fun . I expect Most of You to send at least $200
    each for My miller fund. Oh and please no talk of this with My Bride
    Try here:

    http://www.thecrucible.org/

    bet they got better lookin' students

    Looks like about the same commute for ya.
    Ed Conley
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    Miller 125c Plasma
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    Oh, and sorry bud- I already spent the $200.00 on MY Miller fund
    Ed Conley
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    Thumbs up Wow I forgot ALL about the Crucible !!

    Mucho Better Looks like a guy would need different protection there

    Of course I mean the Young lads. thanks' soo much Broc.

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    Smile

    Even though my instructor knew that I have a Syncro, he made me start with O/A. Since this is a hobby for me, I did. I had fun and learned a lot too, even though I've owned my O/A since 1975.

    Since you already have a MM210, what do you want to do with TIG? I'm just a bracket, widget, gizmo guy so TIG works well for me. I've had an obsession with alum for almost 40 years and is why I own my TIG. My point is: the new inverters have many more arc control adjustments which give them more alum possibilities. The Sync will do much more than I can, but I'd like to have a Dynasty 200. You know how guys are with bells and whistles. That wasn't an option in '93. The Dynastys are about $900 more, ready to weld, than the Syncs. Then there is the TA185 inverter, $2400 (quessing), ready to weld. And the Syncro 250 needs a 50 amp breaker, which you may already have. I think the inverters are happy on 30 amps.
    9-11-2001......We Will Never Forget

    Retired desk jockey.

    Hobby weldor with a little training.

    Craftsman O/A---Flat, Vert, Ovhd, Horz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toolaholic View Post
    Nights, to learn tig. Was a union cert. welder for years. stick and wire feed.
    Weld a little now and again. My question: Any Idea how long it might take an old fart [ 65 ] to do decent welds with Tig
    Old farts usually do quite well!
    G Radovich
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    My next machine is going to be a 200 Dyn too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sberry View Post
    My next machine is going to be a 200 Dyn too.
    Thanks guys for making me want to buy a $3700 machine... it's on the list now
    It looks like it can do ANYTHING, ANYWHERE.

    And I'm most interested in stick/TIG.
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    Tool,

    School's fun at our age! Even thogh it seems futile, I'd really like to go to Yuba College's welding class, too. Think I might try to get in for the winter semester, but it is usually well attended, and I get lazy. Last time I tried, the class was full.

    Pretty nearly all of my skills came from excellent coaching from members of this and the Miller board early on. The fact that my first melt-it tool was an O/A rig was very helpfull down the road, too.

    Actually, my first real melt-it tool was a screwdriver in a 480-volt motor controller, but I'd refer to forget that experience.

    If you get the TIG rig first, hook 'er up 'n take 'er for a drive on some mild steel. You may surprise yourself. I found I could run decent beads on MS almost immediately. Didn't get discuoraged 'till I tried it on aluminum!

    If it hadn't been for hours on the phone with George Bright (may he RIP) I still couldn't get a bead on Al.

    Hank
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    Hey, Hank. My Dad once had a screwdriver slip and hit a bus bar in an equipment cabinet. It was some broadcasting type company. It ended up kicking a station off line for a minute or so until the backup generator could come on. Those watching the college football game on TV at the time weren't happy. Nor was the top network guy who had to personally come in and check on things like this. Dad must have been over 65 at the time, and was installing some equipment for the customer. I hope I still have the screwdriver with the chunk out of it around here somewhere.

    I once had a classmate in a surveying class at the University of Virginia. This old gal decided to become an engineer. Dean hemmed and hawed about admitting her, since she hadn't been to school in years. She basically asked him who was in charge around there. That did the trick She always wore jeans and high-topped sneakers, as I recall. Had a slide rule in her back pocket.

    Incidentally, my son's first class was O/A. I think that helped a lot with the TIG class. The TIG class was in the daytime, and he was one of only two students in the community college class! He was darned lucky it wasn't canceled.
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