HH 210 Mig Gun

[Big D]

I have recently 'discovered' the HH 210. Since I am in the market for another mig and after reading all the posts about New HH 210 I have decided to buy one. The only thing I find rather undesireable is the 10' mig gun. I need a 12' length to make this machine more useful. I still remember when I bought one of the 1st MM 210's and it also came with the M10" gun, which in order to upgrade I had to buy an M25 12' adding another $180.00 to my purchase only to have Miller start selling the later MM 210's with the 12' guns. Does anyone knowif it is it possible to swap between the Miller And Hobart guns? I have looked at the Hobart site and they don't list any mig guns? Thanks....

[Dan]

Miller guns won't fit the HH 210. The Miller guns have a different back end. Besides, I suspect the wire drive motor on the HH 210 wouldn't like the added 2 ft of resistance, which I suspect would shorten the life of the motor, due to the added work load. The HH 187, HH 210, and MM 180, don't have a heavy duty industrial drive motor.

[dda52]

Not to be disagreeing with Dan, but I have been running a 12' gun on my MM135 for a good long while. It has never given as much as a hiccup.

The backends can be swapped. I put the Hobart backend on a M-25 gun and it fit just fine. All the threads are the exact same and it will fit just fine. Bernard guns will take the HH backend as well. All you need is the Hobart power pin ( backend) and you are good. The only thing is you will have to trim the faceplate of the unit to get the gun to plug in. I am planning on maybe getting a 12' gun for it to try out some day. I need the extra length myself. With that extra length, you do need to pay close attention to maintaining the gun/liner. If it gets dirty or whatever, it will wear the motor out much faster. Since I am using an oversized liner, I have a little more room to play with. I have the Miller .035/.045 in my H-15 gun at present. That was to test the .045 fc in the HH210...I never ever swapped it back out. No feed issues at all.

[Sundown]

<snip>I have the Miller .035/.045 in my H-15 gun at present.<snip>

Don't you mean you have the Miller .035/.045 in your H-14 gun as I do? I only mention it cuz I don't think there is a H-15 gun, only a M-15 gun. Of course I could be wrong, it has happened before.

[Dan]

Cool Don, I learned something today. Didn't know the back ends were interchangable.

I also didn't mean that the drive motor wouldn't be capable of pushing the wire the extra two feet. I just don't feel the motor will last as long with the added work load.

[Sundown]

Cool Don, I learned something today. Didn't know the back ends were interchangable.

I also didn't mean that the drive motor wouldn't be capable of pushing the wire the extra two feet. I just don't feel the motor will last as long with the added work load.

I found that out also after talking with Don and then the Benard rep while concidering the purchase of a 12' Benard for the H210, I finally decided that with the type of welding I get to do the 10' H-14 would work just fine for me and used the money for something else.

[dda52]

Don't you mean you have the Miller .035/.045 in your H-14 gun as I do? I only mention it cuz I don't think there is a H-15 gun, only a M-15 gun. Of course I could be wrong, it has happened before.

yes...H-14. I just missed by one...which is pretty good for the way my head is beating at the moment. She don't work so good when the pain is crossing my eyes.


Dan, I knew what you meant....maybe I didn't say it right or that way....but I knew what you meant. I just experimented with the guns one day. I have never ever tried using one since it would need to be altering the unit first. Since it was a test unit, I didn't ever do it. Sure did need it the other day. I had to end up moving the machine on the table. May have to just break down and build a cart for it. That will improve the reach some, or at least allow more mobility.

[Dan]

I found that out also after talking with Don and then the Benard rep while concidering the purchase of a 12' Benard for the H210, I finally decided that with the type of welding I get to do the 10' H-14 would work just fine for me and used the money for something else.

You might know this already. For what I do, and the space I generally work in, plus that fact that the wire tends run smoother, I've switched over to 10 foot guns on my Migmaster 250 and MM 210. Of course I have a 15 footer for the Migmaster and a 12 footer for the 210, if I need the added length. haven't yet though, since I made the switch to the shorter length.

[Sundown]

yes...H-14. I just missed by one...which is pretty good for the way my head is beating at the moment. She don't work so good when the pain is crossing my eyes.


Dan, I knew what you meant....maybe I didn't say it right or that way....but I knew what you meant. I just experimented with the guns one day. I have never ever tried using one since it would need to be altering the unit first. Since it was a test unit, I didn't ever do it. Sure did need it the other day. I had to end up moving the machine on the table. May have to just break down and build a cart for it. That will improve the reach some, or at least allow more mobility.

You gotta do something about that pain . I second the notion of a mig cart, while the H210 is small it is heavy and pushing it around would be better I think and that might help your back also. Build a 16" wide cart and throw a 80cf C25 & a 80cf Argon on the back so you will be ready for anything, and you body will thank you.

[Sundown]

You might know this already. For what I do, and the space I generally work in, plus that fact that the wire tends run smoother, I've switched over to 10 foot guns on my Migmaster 250 and MM 210. Of course I have a 15 footer for the Migmaster and a 12 footer for the 210, if I need the added length. haven't yet though, since I made the switch to the shorter length.

Yeah, I normally had an M-10 gun on the MM210 for most of the stuff I did when I had the machine. I prefered the lighter weight of the M-10 gun and only switched to the M-25 when doing thicker materials.

[dda52]

I just put a Bernard Q-400 15 footer on my MM210 the other day.


I really thought I'd hate the short gun on the HH210, not to mention the lighter duty part. I have all 300 and 400 amp guns on everything and all 15 footers. I have to admit I ended up really liking the H-14. It drives me nuts on occasion when I need the extra length, but other than those times, it is a really good gun.



George, I plan to. SWMBO thinks it may be time for more accupuncture. Just what I need...more holes in me. It does help some, so may not be a bad idea.

[Brand X]

I buy machines with the Tweco 2/4 back ends for a reason. No mickey mousing when you want to switch guns back and forth between machines. If somebody gives me a machine, then I will take one that has a odd ball back end.

The only thing I would worry about going with a long gun on a Hobart, is the added stress on the drive motor. It's a tiny little guy.

[aametalmaster]

I still remember when I bought one of the 1st MM 210's and it also came with the M10" gun, which in order to upgrade I had to buy an M25 12' adding another $180.00 to my purchase only to have Miller start selling the later MM 210's with the 12' guns.

I think the early MM210's had M-15 guns on them then they changed to the M-25's...Bob

[dda52]

The only thing I would worry about going with a long gun on a Hobart, is the added stress on the drive motor. It's a tiny little guy.

Scott, from what you know about this machine...do you think two feet will make that much difference? I have a 12' Tweco Fabgun 250 on my MM135. I just went out and looked at it. I think the backend would fit without any alterations to the case. Now, if the power pin would swap out. Not holding too much hope on that one, but I may try to see one day soon.

[Brand X]

Scott, from what you know about this machine...do you think two feet will make that much difference? I have a 12' Tweco Fabgun 250 on my MM135. I just went out and looked at it. I think the backend would fit without any alterations to the case. Now, if the power pin would swap out. Not holding too much hope on that one, but I may try to see one day soon.

If I needed the extra length I would use a 12ft. I was just pointing out that it could be a issue with stress on the little motor. I used a 15 ft Binzel on a Lincoln SP100 that a guy put on. It was .035 self-shielded flux-core. It worked well, and I would of said no way on that.

I been using my little Radnor 10ft gun on my Mutimaster 260 because I'm just welding little stuff and it's handy. I have a 12' Tweco supra that is 450 amps and a 15 ft #2 Binzel that is a 250 amp gun, that I can use too. I use what works and not really what is right.

Don,
you seem to be a guy that can make Rube Goldberg work for you.