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  1. #1
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    Danny made me do it!!

    I traded my SP-175 plus for a tapped Thermal-arc 181 the other day, and
    was not happy with the 4 tap voltage. It's really high and worse if you have
    high input voltage to start with. Anyway 3/16 steel was a mess that you
    really could not adjust out. I really like how it welds on the lower taps and
    prefer it over my last SP-175 plus by a mile. (My first SP-175 was nicer then
    this last one)

    Anyway this is a picture of what I did and a weld bead with the fix,
    second one without. I did not change any settings between the two.

    The one picture shows the coil of wire a bit better, but it was not the
    final deal. Extra 25ft ground lead in the #1 pic.
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    Last edited by Brand X; 07-13-2006 at 03:00 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brand X
    I traded my SP-175 plus for a tapped Thermal-arc 181 the other day, and
    was not happy with the 4 tap voltage. It's really high and worse if you have
    high input voltage to start with. Anyway 3/16 steel was a mess that you
    really could not adjust out. I really like how it welds on the lower taps and
    prefer it over my last SP-175 plus by a mile. (My first SP-175 was nicer then
    this last one)

    Anyway this is a picture of what I did and a weld bead with the fix,
    second one without. I did not change any setting between the two.

    The one picture shows the coil of wire a bit better, but it was not the
    final deal. Extra 25ft ground lead in the #1 pic.
    I can certinly see the improvement just in splatter alone, I think you might have been happier with a SP-175T as the extra tap on my SP-155T made all the difference on the top end.
    Regards, George

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sundown
    I can certinly see the improvement just in splatter alone, I think you might have been happier with a SP-175T as the extra tap on my SP-155T made all the difference on the top end.
    No, because the rest of the taps it kicks the 175 T butt. It welds so much nicer then the Lincolns because of the extra inductance. 5 taps on this machine would of helped for sure.
    I still prefer the SP-175 plus to all the T models I have used. I'm not keeping this one because
    my friend wants it. I have other plans!!
    Last edited by Brand X; 07-13-2006 at 02:28 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brand X
    <snip>I have other plans!!
    Hmmmmmmmm
    Regards, George

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    Hobart Handler EZ125 - IMO the best 120V Flux Core only machine

    Miller Dynasty 200DX with cooler of my design, works for me
    Miller Spectrum 375 - Nice Cutter

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    What's the deal, you guys up north in the big city have to do everything the complicated way. You shouldn t need anything more then a short length of a 3/32 SS filler and that coil to get the output on that fourth tap to perform much better. If you're interested in giving this a try , I'll email you the set up instructions.
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    Send them.
    The only reason I triied it that way was was looking for a thin real
    thin piece of ss could not find it. I thought about filler metal and
    forgot about it as fast. I was more interested in a voltage drop
    more then the inductance, but the coil helped anyway.

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    If I had to jury rig a brand new welder to get it to perform correctly, I wouldn't be keeping it very long!
    Arbo & Thor (The Junkyard Dog)
    The Next Loud Noise You Hear Is Me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo
    If I had to jury rig a brand new welder to get it to perform correctly, I wouldn't be keeping it very long!
    If it welds better then all the others out now on the first three taps, it
    might be worth it. Like I say it kicks the crap out of the little Lincolns
    or Miller units.

    I modified the voltage control for the plowboy. I did not like
    ss tig rod.
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    Scott, it can't be that good. It doesn't have any WFS to mess with you!!!!







    Doh!!..............I went there.
    Don


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    Quote Originally Posted by dda52
    Scott, it can't be that good. It doesn't have any WFS to mess with you!!!!







    Doh!!..............I went there.
    Don,

    I am guessing you mean WST .. or the (W)ire (S)peed (T)racking thingy, to be technical.
    Regards, George

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    Miller Spectrum 375 - Nice Cutter

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    Scott, the non-redneck way to drop the slope some on that fourth tap, would be by connecting a resistor in parrallel with the output. I'm going to start playing this way some here in the near future. First though, I need to do the calculations to see what size of resistor I need.
    MigMaster 250- Smooth arc with a good touch of softness to it. Good weld puddle wetout. Light spatter producer.
    Ironman 230 - Soft arc with a touch of agressiveness to it. Very good weld puddle wet out. Light spatter producer.

    MM 210-Looking for a new home locally
    PM 180C



    HH 125 EZ - impressive little fluxcore only unit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan
    Scott, the non-redneck way to drop the slope some on that fourth tap, would be by connecting a resistor in parrallel with the output. I'm going to start playing this way some here in the near future. First though, I need to do the calculations to see what size of resistor I need.
    I was wondering about something like that, because narrow window of the
    SS strip/ rod etc.... The Thermal is pretty good now but it would not be my
    first pic in machines when I get up in those ranges anyway.

    Make two while you are there. Maybe use some dinse connectors to take in and
    out of the circuit.
    Last edited by Brand X; 07-13-2006 at 09:29 PM.

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    Dan, I think you meant to say to put the resistor in series with the output.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike W
    Dan, I think you meant to say to put the resistor in series with the output.

    Actually Mike I just screwed up, and put my foot in my mouth . I forgot the parrallel circuit would only effect the amperage. What makes me feel real stupid about this now is the fact that I knew this, which is why I was using the thinner SS in series on my MM 210 and running parrallel paths of the wire, so that they wouldn t melt down. The closer I get to 40 the more I keep forgetting things that i don't use that often . Thank goodness my wife doesn t read this stuff, or she'd be given me a hard time all evening.


    A series circuit would require a pretty industrial resistor to get the job done.
    MigMaster 250- Smooth arc with a good touch of softness to it. Good weld puddle wetout. Light spatter producer.
    Ironman 230 - Soft arc with a touch of agressiveness to it. Very good weld puddle wet out. Light spatter producer.

    MM 210-Looking for a new home locally
    PM 180C



    HH 125 EZ - impressive little fluxcore only unit

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    10-4 Dan, have a good evening.

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