My first project: A front-yard fence

[Jack Olsen]

I'm willing to jump into a projects that I've never even seen someone else bring to completion, much less ones that I've got the correct experience or training for. I guess it's a blessing and a curse. (And in a little bit, some of you will be able to tell me which side of that is going to come out more true with this project.)

I got a Hobart Handler 140 (120v) MIG welder. I rented a couple of videos to figure out how to use it. From there, I started planning a wrought-iron style fence for my front yard. The fact that the fence was going to require about 3,000 individual welds didn't occur to me, right away. The fact that I was planning on putting my first project right out in front of my own yard and house occurred to my wife, but I told her there was nothing to worry about. I could always tear it down and sell it for scrap.

I'm posting this to show the process I went through -- it might be useful to other weekend hobbyists who are thinking about a project like this. I'm also interested in more-experienced guys' opinions on what I might have done wrong, along the way. It's too late to fix most of the problems on this project, at this point, but I'm not so self-impressed that I think I didn't get any (probably many) of the parts wrong.

Here's the front yard. I've got a retaining wall that I used to think was 40 feet wide (more on that later), and stands out about 20 feet in front of the house.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads14/JacksHouse1238956776.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads14/JacksWall1238956761.jpg

I had a neighbor with a wrought iron style fence on his wall, and my thinking was that I could pretty much copy his project -- but at a fraction of what he probably paid. Here's his fence.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads14/NeighborLong1238956738.jpg

His fence uses 3/4" pickets and 1-1/4" supports to make 9' sections. I decided I wanted a slightly 'lighter' look, and would use 5/8" pickets and 1" supports. I decided to add a support in the middle of each of my 8' sections so that there wasn't more than a 4' span -- as insurance against sag, since I was working with 16 gauge steel.

[Jack Olsen]

I bought about $400 worth of steel and supplies, all told -- 20' lengths of 5/8" and 1" square tubing, cast iron finials from King Metals, some steel base plates, masonry bolts, hinges, decorative pieces and a gate top. I also got primer and paint from King -- I figured they'd have the right stuff for this kind of work.

I needed to make the first set of (240) pickets the same length. I made them 30" each, so that I could cut eight from each length with no leftovers. With a 4" finial and a 2" gap underneath each picket, I'd have a 36" fence. To save myself from having to measure over and over, I bolted my saw to a piece of wood and screwed in an L-bracket as a stop. That way I could just keep feeding the length of steel to the stop, chop, and repeat. I had to finesse it with some spacers, but it worked.

Both my fold-down tables come down to the same height, making this sort of cutting easier:

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv360/Jack_Olsen/ChopShop.jpg

My cutting jig:

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv360/Jack_Olsen/PicketCutter.jpg

Stacks of cut pickets:

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv360/Jack_Olsen/Pickets.jpg

The cold cut saw is a pleasure to use.

Then I had to attach the finials in a way that would be consistent and easy to repeat (and repeat, and repeat). I set up a kind of goofy-looking jig to hold the two pieces in relation to each other. I just had to drop the parts in, clamp on two vise-grip style clamps, and weld the four edges.

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv360/Jack_Olsen/PicketJigAlt.jpg?t=1249885455

Simple, right?

[Jack Olsen]

Well, a couple of things. First, I'm still a terrible welder. MIG is easy, but I don't make it look that way. I'm getting better -- 3000 welds has to be good for something -- but the first set were welding steel to cast iron, which is never going to produce great fusion. But I guess this is the way it's done.

Here's the fledgling welder in his garage:

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv360/Jack_Olsen/Jack.jpg

I tore apart a few samples to see what kind of job I was doing. It was nice when my welds were holding up as the cast iron was tearing apart:

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv360/Jack_Olsen/StressTest.jpg

The results? Fortunately, I don't have any close-ups. But let me say it again: I'm still a lousy welder. The long and the short of it was that all four sides needed some grinding on all 240 pickets.

I set up a station where I could grind while sitting. It's pretty mind-numbing work.

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv360/Jack_Olsen/Grinding.jpg
The good news is that those welds seem to be holding up just fine.

[Jack Olsen]

Pretty soon I had lots of stacks of pickets:

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv360/Jack_Olsen/PicketStack.jpg

And the basic idea of the frame that the pickets would attach to was pretty simple.

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv360/Jack_Olsen/FrameIdea.jpg

And I knew how I wanted the fence to look, pretty much:

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv360/Jack_Olsen/BasicLayout.jpg

Then it was time to figure out how I was going to put all of this together. Not every section was going to be the same. I knew I needed a jig, but it was going to have to be flexible enough to hold the pieces for different types of panels. I ended up going with loose blocks to set the picket spacing. The frame pieces were dropped into fixed guides. I could make longer or shorter sections with the same jig.

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv360/Jack_Olsen/JigAltView.jpg

Maybe that's the way it's usually done? I have no idea. I couldn't find any good pictures of fence jigs when I went googling.

[Jack Olsen]

This is what the jig looked like. I've never seen a jig for a fence like this, so I might be close to what others do, or I might be off by a country mile.

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv360/Jack_Olsen/Jig.jpg

Then, there was a lot more welding -- and grinding -- all over again. Early on, someone had warned me that I might not understand how labor-intensive this project would be.

They were right.

But I worked in my spare time. Fitting. Welding. Grinding.

And oh, bending.

When you only weld on one side of the lateral pieces, the metal curves when it cools. I'd been warned about it. I came up with a quick and dirty system for straightening the sections, clamping the piece under a stiff piece of stock to one of my tables and then bending it in the other direction. If I did this on four different locations on the section, it seemed to straighten out pretty evenly. There was a lot of trial and error. It seemed like a good test for the structural welds.

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv360/Jack_Olsen/Bending.jpg

Again, there might be a simpler and more effective way to do this. I was figuring it out as I went along.

Here's my first completed section, prior to grinding:

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv360/Jack_Olsen/Fence01.jpg?t=1249887377

Next up, the accident. I jump up on top of one of the steel tables to get a piece of stock down from the rafter shelving and I slip. It's a direct hit to the shin on the edge of the table. At first, it feels like I've maybe broken the bone. But no, I can put weight on it. But when I take my hand away from where it hurts, I'm surprised to see a hand-shaped blood stain on my jeans. By the time this picture was taken, the (tiny) cut was under control, but you can see from my sock how much blood had been there initially.

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv360/Jack_Olsen/Small-Cut-Big-Blood.jpg

Not a cutting accident. Not a grinding accident. A jumping up on the table accident. Go figure.

[Jack Olsen]

All right, so the sections are stacking up. Phase one of the fence is going to be all the sections that sit on top of the wall. If I get that done reasonably well, I'll connect the fence to the house on either side and put in some gates.

Testing how they'll join:

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv360/Jack_Olsen/TwoSections.jpg

Stacking them up:

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv360/Jack_Olsen/UnpaintedSections.jpg

And then, it kind of feels like you're done -- but of course you're not. Each section has to be cleaned, scuffed, primed and then painted. Everyone hates painting. Usually, I kind of like it. But hand painting a fence is very tedious work.

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv360/Jack_Olsen/Primed-1.jpg

And then a 50' tape measure arrives in the mail, and I get the big surprise. I measured the wall initially with a 25' tape measure, and -- I'm still not sure how -- I got the measurement wrong by exactly one foot. My wall is 39', not 40'. I've already got five eight-foot sections put together. The answer? I cut the middle one shorter by three pickets, and move the little center anti-sag leg over by six inches. I'm not thrilled to have failed such a basic thing as 'measure twice, cut once,' but there you go. Fortunately, I'm working with 4" sections and 4 goes into 12 just fine. Unfortunately, I'll always notice that one little leg that's between two pickets, not behind one. But there you go.

[Jack Olsen]

Now the project goes from super-slow to super-fast. Putting together a fence takes lots of time. Putting it up (in the case of this one, at least) is maybe two hours' work.

Because it's C-shaped, I'm able to weld the sections together and let them simply stand on the wall. The big question is whether they're going to be sized right. Once I've established that part of it is okay, I'll slide the thing over a little, drill the holes for the base plates, and mount those to the top of the wall before I get the fence set in position again and weld the legs to the base plates.

The first two form one corner:

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv360/Jack_Olsen/TwoSectionsUp.jpg
I moved around some portable welding curtains I picked up cheap to keep from blinding the neighbors. (You can't see it here, but I also had eye protection on the lawn side. This picture was taken with everything out of position.)

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv360/Jack_Olsen/Curtains.jpg

Finally getting some idea of how the finished project is going to look:

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv360/Jack_Olsen/LookingOut.jpg

An even clearer idea. There in the middle you can see that moved anti-sag leg:

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv360/Jack_Olsen/FenceInPlace.jpg

[Jack Olsen]

And that's about where I currently am. Next step is to finally secure it to the wall. Then I get started on the part that goes over uneven terrain and is going to need holes dug and concrete poured.

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The whole thing:

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv360/Jack_Olsen/FenceStageOne.jpg

And the reason it was built. The little guy immediately tried to climb it. I guess it's only a matter of time before he succeeds.

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Once it's finished, my wife can take over with the landscaping part. We're going to pull a lot of the plants out and put in more grass for the kid. I think we're going to have vines grow on the fence itself, but I'm happy with the fact that (as a first project), it's not really going to need vines to hide its flaws. They'll just be there because we want them.

Comments? Criticisms? Things I missed that are going to bite me in the behind? After all this typing, I'll be grateful for any of the above. :)

[OSU-WE10]

What a great looking fence! And for a first project?? Keep up the good work! How many hours do you have in it so far?

[caldwellcpl]

Excellent series. It looks great to me and you can be very proud of your work.

thanks,

bob

[Spooky]

Nice work Sir. I really admire guys that do their own ornamental work. I seem to be able fit and weld pipe and structural all day but as soon as I try to undertake one of these projects at home it doesn't seem to get past the planning stage...

[midnightbrwr]

Thanks for sharing how it was done. I think it looks great. The only thing I don't understand is that if the out of position leg bothers you so much, why didn't you just cut it off and weld it where you wanted it? The grind marks would be underneath and nobody would ever notice it.

[kenklingerman]

dang, you don't screw around do you. Very nice job!

and cleanest garage I ever saw, that is the garage isn't it??

[Hot Fingers]

You picked a huge project for your first welding experience but it sure turned out fantastic! Welding is like any other skill...the more you do it, the better you get. The art of grinding is a learned skill that you need less and less as you gain welding experience.

The best part about it is the stories you have to tell when people ask where you got such a nice fence. You kept a wonderful record of your progress in pictures. Keep up the good work!

[Deeds]

My favorite part is the jig. If I build a fence for my front yard, which I've been contemplating, I'll likely make a similar jig after seeing yours. Thanks for posting it.

[old blue]

Looks great. It's nice to see a guy tackle a project and figure things out for himself instead of asking how to do everything. I would have done a couple of things a bit differently, but not much, and your result speaks for itself.. well done, man!

Did you cut all the pieces one at a time?

[Jack Olsen]

Everyone: thanks for reading the long post, and thanks for the kind words.


How many hours do you have in it so far? I haven't kept track, at all. A lot of the time went to figuring out how I was going to do it -- a second fence would be a snap by comparison. And it had to be fit in, time-wise, between work and a one-year-old running around. We live close enough to the neighbors so that I can't do too much grinding or cutting at night. And the boy wakes up early in the morning. It was all done in quick bursts.


The only thing I don't understand is that if the out of position leg bothers you so much, why didn't you just cut it off and weld it where you wanted it? The grind marks would be underneath and nobody would ever notice it. It's on center. I think I'd be bugged by knowing it was 2 inches off center. In fact, I think if I'd known I had 39 feet when I laid it out, this might have been the exact option I would have gone for. But because it was a result of my own mistake, it eats at me a little. But I'm getting used to it.


dang, you don't screw around do you. Very nice job! and cleanest garage I ever saw, that is the garage isn't it?? My wife and I are both writers, and we were both stuck with a sudden surge of free time when our union went on strike last year. My 'strike project' was finally cleaning out my absolutely useless (stacked five or so feet deep, no room for cars at all) garage. When I'm not working on something, it's very clean:

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv360/Jack_Olsen/Olsen_GarageALR.jpg


Welding is like any other skill...the more you do it, the better you get. The art of grinding is a learned skill that you need less and less as you gain welding experience. Even in the course of this one project, that's born itself out. Some people get better because they're gifted, or have great instruction. I'm getting better (slowly) because of brutal amounts of repetition. ;)


Did you cut all the pieces one at a time? All the pickets, yes. I attached a stop to the saw so it was just slide/clamp/cut/repeat. I'm still on the first $30 Freud Diablo blade, which means I haven't had to breath abrasive wheel dust at all.

[kenklingerman]

"Even in the course of this one project, that's born itself out. Some people get better because they're gifted, or have great instruction. I'm getting better (slowly) because of brutal amounts of repetition. "

YEP! There's the writer:)

Posting close up pics of practice welds is a good way of getting some free instruction right here.

[ItsAdam1]

wow what else can I say but nice work......

[Jack Olsen]

"Even in the course of this one project, that's born itself out. Some people get better because they're gifted, or have great instruction. I'm getting better (slowly) because of brutal amounts of repetition. "

YEP! There's the writer:)

And now here's the editor: I should have spelled it 'borne' in that sentence, not 'born.' (Weirdly, the verb bear has two different past participles.)

Whoops.

[FabPeddler]

great job Jack, hearing that your a writer made me understand why I enjoy reading your posts. The fence looks great, and I am sure it led to a wealth of knowledge, and appreciation for the hardships of welding. More than simply gluing steel together. I am curious, what type of paint did you use for your project?

thanks,


Keith

[Jack Olsen]

Today I finished the latches for the two gates and the last piece of painting. It's fastened down. There's a traditional gate on one side and a small camouflaged gate on the other. I got a couple of chairs for the front yard, since I'm a lot lazier than my boy. It was a fun project and now it comes in handy every single day.

(Next up, a swing set.)

Here's a full shot that shows the one section (on the right) that needed to be sloped to match the terrain. I could have stepped the sections, but I thought this would be less noticeable.

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv360/Jack_Olsen/Fence-Final-R.jpg

And here's the gate. I put a bar on one side that goes into a hole drilled into the walk. A slide-type latch holds the other side shut. I still might add springs to make it automatically return to center. We'll see.

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv360/Jack_Olsen/Gate-Final.jpg

Thanks again to everyone for the suggestions and the encouragement.

[012LDY]

Jack, That fence, and the whole story, is "Bad Arse" !! Nice Work....What would that project have cost if you hired a pro ??? Nice garage (and Porsche!) to boot ! Be Safe - Shawn

[FlakeyJake]

Saw that Fuchs in the background and was going to ask if you were a Porsche enthusiast, I'm a pre- '67 vw guy, glad I looked at the second page. ;)

[fjk]

Fence looks great

But when are you gonna fix the problem in your garage? It's way too neat....
:D

Frank

[Tom37]

Fabulous job Jack.

Oh ya Jack, I think we maybe should take a vote here. Just to see how many votes you get for the U-Suck award for having the cleanest shop.

Its crazy clean. Sorry man I'm just jealous. I'm just not sure how long the tile would hold up for me when I grab the 15lb short handle and proceed to adjust the bend angle on a bracket.

BTW..... Nice Nice car you have there.

Tom

[Jack Olsen]

It's not always neat.

Here it is on Sunday, as I was starting in on a new bench project -- one-manning a 510 lb piece of steel. I had to rotate it 180 degrees and then flip it like a pancake.

(And that was after getting it out of my jeep and onto that cabinet.)

But here's the shop when it's down and dirty:

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv360/Jack_Olsen/Messy-2.jpg

[n8tureboy]

Awesome fence project.....Just curious, how many shekels did you lay down for that piece of steel? I'm needing something similar and was curious about cost.

Thank's

[fjk]

But here's the shop when it's down and dirty:




Still _wayyyyyyy_ too neat... But those blocks of wood under the legs
of the saw horse show potential :p

frank

[jcirafic]

Nice work Jack! Inspirational! I never thought of using 2x4's in a spacing jig. Great garage too. Are you on garagejournal? I've seen that garage before. I'm going downstairs and fire up the hobart handler 140-I have a half built coat rack I need to finish.

[calweld]

Good job, Jack.

You pointed out that little sloped section. Another alternative would've been to just hold the rails straight, keep the top-line straight, but use longer pickets to follow the ground. Not a criticism, just another way it could've been done. As it is, it looks good.

This thread, points out perfectly, for many jobs the most important skills are attention to detail, and layout, and measuring. Also, having no fear, having the confidence to buy $$$$ worth of material, and paint, and thinking he was gonna be able to create an asset to his property.

Two thumbs up, Jack. :):)