6010 Radnor rods

[crenshawjm]

a few weeks ago i bought two 5 lbs packs of radnor 6010 rod, opened them and they are Red, the only rods i had run in school were gray 6010. i posted about this weeks ago, and was told that the red ones were good rods, i had no clue how good was, but yet your right they are awesome.... better penetration than 6011, not near as much spatter. real pretty for a deep penetration rod.... i got to get somemore of them before someone else buys them.... i need to get some in 5/32" too....

can't remember whom told me of these rods, but THANKS ! ! ! there awesome.:)

[injun joe]

well yeah at the school i last went to all they had was the gray 6010 but there shouldnt be too much of a difference because all they add is coloring to the covering to get different colors but there could be a difference about how well they were made the red ones might have better physical properties than the gray 1s

[TozziWelding]

5p Lincoln is red and 5p+ is grey.

[dda52]

Hobart has a gray one as well...Pipemaster 60, IIRC.

[TozziWelding]

The grey (not the yellowish white) Hobart rod is my go to 6010 PipemasterPro, I believe.

[Stick-man]

McKay 6010PM is gray also.

[crenshawjm]

well either i got better burning rods or the 5P rods are better than the 5P+. i like the way the red rods run. i even got too close with it once and it didn't stick like a 6011 would have done. Does not spatter like a 6011. so i will be using the 6011 rods to show the two boys here how to weld. i will use the 6010's for jobs that require a root pass, then fill and cover with my 7018's.
what do i need these 6013's, and 7014's for, just carrying around dead weight in the truck. but i used to have an awesome rod, but used them all, got to get somemore, they were 7024's. they make a real pretty cover rod. penet is low, but it covers very well, kinda a flat bead but still looks good. shallow ripples but close together. But it is a good rod, the 1/8" rod has so much flux on it you think at first site it is a gouging rod. Runs real smooth, fills real fast, slag peels all by itself like scorpion tail.
but back to the 6010's i like the red ones better than the gray ones.
thanks for the input.

[dda52]

Do those red 6010's have several (5 I think) small plus signs or crosses along the the stub end? They are either right with or very near the numbers. Just curious.

[weldgault]

What is the difference in these 3 rods. John:confused:

[Zrexxer]

What is the difference in these 3 rods. John:confused:You're a Lincoln dealer and you don't know the difference between 5P and 5P+? :rolleyes:

[crenshawjm]

Don ! ! ! no i don't recall seeing any + signs on the rods, i bought them at Airgas, they are the Radnor brand. who makes them i don't know. but they are sweet rods. so i will run them in the future.

[dda52]

More than likely, Lincoln makes them, but I'm not sure. The ones with the plusses are the old Airco 6010's that Lincoln still produces..or at least did a couple of years ago. I have burned a ton of them. Murex may have picked them up since they now produce the Airco 6011C. It is just like regular 6011's, but a little smoother. Very nice rod, IMO...both are. The plusses are the giveaway on the 6010's. If you ever see them, that is what you are looking at. Airgas was about the only place I ever saw them since the mid 80's.

[weldgault]

You're a Lincoln dealer and you don't know the difference between 5P and 5P+? :rolleyes:


I guess I should have started a new Thread, I was trying to get some interest in knowing the difference, where it came from, why and what it was intended for. So many people know that 5P+ welds do much smoother and you cannot get them to go back to 5P. Just education was my intent. John G.:)

[PentaWelder]

The E6010 and the E6011 welding rods are essentially the same. The are considered fast freezing electrodes. The only difference between then are the arc stabilizers and chemical make-up within the flux and what polarity that they can be run on. E6010 is run on DCRP (DC+) only and the E6011's are run on both DCRP and AC.

In regards to the 5p/5p+ (red rod/gray rod), they are the same except for the arc stabilizers and composition of the flux.

[crenshawjm]

weldgault Quote:
Originally Posted by Zrexxer
You're a Lincoln dealer and you don't know the difference between 5P and 5P+?


I guess I should have started a new Thread, I was trying to get some interest in knowing the difference, where it came from, why and what it was intended for. So many people know that 5P+ welds do much smoother and you cannot get them to go back to 5P. Just education was my intent. John G.

John i went out to the truck and got them out. they were not made by Radnor, but it doesn't say on the box who made them, it says " Made in Mexico" inspected and packaged for Radnor. One that seems funny to me is the Tensile Strength, remember this is supposed to be a 6010 rod, but the tensile strength on the box says 77,000 psi, Yield Strength is 65,000 psi, amperage range is 75-130, but there is no + on the rods, there just red in color and it says E6010 on the rod, no other markings. So there ain't no telling where they come from or what they are. i hope this helps, i agree with you teaching what the difference is, i know i found a difference in the local welding school cause there we ran Grey 6010 rods, and they were lincoln rods. these are red, and not lincoln rods, but i can't swear to that since they are in Radnor packaging. But i do like the way they run on my Champ 10K at around 100 amps, they are awesome compared to the 6011. penetration is a little better and the splatter is less than 6011. bead looks better profile wise, not tried to weld up anything to take it to failure, but i di weld up a rack of angle iron and load it down with fire wood and it is holding well, as i would expect it too. anyway if i had more information on these rods i would lay it on ya.... but i don't. Sorry

[weldgault]

In regards to the 5p/5p+ (red rod/gray rod), they are the same except for the arc stabilizers and composition of the flux.


FW5P was designed to run DCEP "only" because of the flux and the 5p+ is a Airco formula tht has some Iron powder in the flux and it was Lincolns answer to the problems they had, with 5P, when Inverters came out. John

[dda52]

Here we go again.:rolleyes:


Still doesn't mean you can't run 5P on DCEN. It runs just as well as a 6011 on DCEN, maybe better with very good weld quality. Excellent for thin stock and sheet metal.:rolleyes:

[EvilTexan]

I ran with the red 601o rods in school and they ARE real smooth. HA I remember havin some welds where the slag just comes up, my instructor used to say "make sure that snake don't bite ya" haha. But yea those red ones are real nice. Also got to try some Korean made 6013 I think it was? Those things ran so freakin weird. Just dirty, real rough type stuff. Least thats what I remember