Firefox / logon question

[Rocky D]

I use Firefox, and find that I have to logon when I go from one post to another, or one tab to another...I can tab to previous posts, and see that on some, I am logged in and others I'm not...anybody else have this problem?

[smyrna5]

Some sites will not allow you to save your password (my Schwab account, for example). I have also had the same trouble with certain sites that for some reason want you to have to sign in each time. The web page author can set it up either way. Make sure your box for saving passwords is checked under Tools-->Options-->Security-->Save Passwords.

Other than that I don't have much trouble with Firefox not signing in.

[trial&error]

no mine works fine. may have to download and reinstall fire fox. good thing the price is right.

[Roger]

Maintaining your login requires accepting and keeping cookies. You can set how long cookies are stored on firefox before they are deleted.

In Firefox pull down edit menu and select preferences. Then select privacy section and check accept cookies.

Security section check remember passwords for sites. Only logs you in when you go to site cookies keep you logged in while on the site.

Cookies makes web browsing easier but companies track what sites you visit. You can select have cookies deleted when you close firefox.

[Roger]

Tools-->Options-->Security-->Save Passwords.
Not used by Firefox maybe Internet explorer uses that menu selection process.

[Rocky D]

Thanks Roger...everything was in order in those places....I.m thinking that I may have another program running in the background, like Spy Sweeper. or Norton Utilities that may be doing it. I'll have to dig deeper. :(

[salvageclaus]

I have noticed that also.
The site won't let me stay logged in between visits.
I have never had that problem and I've been using Firefox since joining the site.

It started about 2 weeks ago maybe.

I checked everything out on my end, and nothing has changed...

[storts]

Ive even googled this,and could not how they explained it,so after Rocky bringing it up here,In WELDERS TERMS if you would be so kind!what is the difference between firefox. and IE???????????Would fire fox work with gmail,as i got rid of att,and now have comcast. I do not like comcast email,,so alot of my buddys like g mail,Got it and very happy with it!,and Im getting ready to order new buisness cards,So i better get these correct!,Thanks Again,Jack

[Rocky D]

Ive even googled this,and could not how they explained it,so after Rocky bringing it up here,In WELDERS TERMS if you would be so kind!what is the difference between firefox. and IE???????????Would fire fox work with gmail,as i got rid of att,and now have comcast. I do not like comcast email,,so alot of my buddys like g mail,Got it and very happy with it!,and Im getting ready to order new buisness cards,So i better get these correct!,Thanks Again,Jack
For me IE is slow and hangs a lot...firefox is quicker and has an add on that when you hover over a link, like a picture on this board, it will appear in a drop down page and you don't have to leave the page you're on...called Cool Iris. GMail works with this, too.

[Archaic]

Jack:

I guess in WELDER'S TERMS it is Mig and Stick. But it is a lot more complicated than that.

Before I begin, everything that you read below is not 100% complete, true, and accurate. This is a subject which can get fiendishly complex. I will try to give you some basics, which generally speaking are correct.

You are confusing things here. Internet Explorer (IE) and Firefox are browsers. That is to say, they are software programs that allow you to connect to, and move about the internet via a telecommunications connection. Or, more simply, IE or Firefox is what lets you connect to the net and access web pages. This forum is a website and you are now on a web page. But, strictly speaking, you do not send email through your browser. For that you need an email client.

An email client will not let you surf the net. It is a software program designed in it's most basic form to send and receive email. Where Microsoft is concerned, Outlook and Outlook Express are the email clients. Firefox is the open source browser. The open source email client is Thunderbird. Gmail is the Google created email client.

All of this becomes more complicated when you consider web based email, instant messaging, and online chat. Rather than get into all of that, which will get technical and confusing quickly, lets go this route. If you understand that you are using a browser (IE or Firefox) AND an email client (Outlook, Outlook Express, Thunderbird or Gmail) then the question becomes what will work with what? Some browsers conflict with some email clients and certain ISP's (Internet Service Providers - yours is now Comcast) require certain ways to access email through the email client. There you get into futzing with the settings - servers, SSL, password authentication, etc.

Gmail will work with both IE and Firefox. For you to be able to use ALL of the features offered by Gmail, you need to have either IE 7 or Firefox 1.5. Gmail will work well with older versions of these browsers for sending and receiving email, but with an older browser you might not be able to use Google Chat or some such as that. To find out which version of either browser you have, open the browser, click on help, then click on about. You will see the version number.

Long story short. You can use Gmail as your email client with either IE or Firefox. Latest version of either to access all of Gmail.

I hope that this has helped more than confused. If it is still not clear, ask and I will try to explain further.

Adios-----

[storts]

Thanks Guys for taking the time,,the ie is hanging up quite a bit,all wys have, and the outlook Im not that comfortable with,,Att i liked because it would hold alot of email, comcast willl not,But g mail will,and putting e mails from custs ive sold machines,its nice to pull up what we talked about 2 years ago,,g mail has the space,until i get off my duff,and make folders,,

And Arch,you were very good,you should be a teacher,if i can understand it,and only once threw,,Rocky,i like the mouse thing,,

Well looks like ill give it a trey,i can allways change back,its the locking up,and att was dsl,and comcast is a cable box(No Difference),Im on a net work,does this mean my wife would have to change also,she has the box,and i have the little antani(sp) Or the cable guy said run a intranet cord from comp to comp,but that 75 ft away,,and then there will be the comp in the new shop,which will probably be mine,and Ill go for the notebook,so if i have stuff to do,and dont feel like running out to the shop at 2 am,,I do my best thinking then,i still have the 3rd in here,But get my office out of the living room!!!!!

Hope that made since,and that ought to be fun to hook up!!!!!!!!:confused::confused:Thanks again,I start with fire fox,and go from there!!!!!!Jack:D

[Archaic]

Hey Jack:

Couple of things. Once you use Firefox for awhile and get it tweaked and get used to it I think you will find that it is a MUCH better browser than Internet Exploder. You will not get rid of IE when you download and install Firefox. In fact, with just a click on the icon, you can open Firefox, IE, or both at the same time. You will not be able to see both at the same time, but you can switch back and forth and it will cause no problems.

Actually, there is a LOT of difference between a DSL internet connection, and a Cable internet connection. I won't bog you down with a long complicated explanation, and they probably feel the same to you. Always on, broadband, etc. Just remember as you go down the road that the two are not the same and depending on whether you have DSL or Cable or Satelite or Dial Up requires a different approach on things.

I am not sure what you are asking in "does that mean my wife would have to change also..." If you are asking will she have to use Firefox only, the answer is no. You will have two browsers loaded on the computer - Firefox and IE. One will be the "default" browser (you will select that). If you sit down at the computer, and open Firefox, that is what you will use to get about the net. If your wife sits down at the same computer, she can either open IE, and use it to get about the net, or she can open Firefox and use it. Where you will see the difference is when you click on, or open something like a stored web page (stored on your computers hard drive). That web page will be opened by whichever browser you have designated as the default browser. Make sense?

Computers need to be networked together using CAT 5 wire. If your operating system is Windows 2000, or Windows XP you already have the software installed to do a peer to peer network. No extra software needed. You will probably have to buy a hardware hub (switch, router) but no additional software. Depending on the age of your machines, if your computers are set up for wireless communication you may find that it is a lot easier and more cost effective to set up a wireless network as opposed to running a bunch of CAT 5 wire to the different areas.

Good luck and let us know how you like Firefox.

Adios-----

[storts]

Hey Jack:

Couple of things. Once you use Firefox for awhile and get it tweaked and get used to it I think you will find that it is a MUCH better browser than Internet Exploder. You will not get rid of IE when you download and install Firefox. In fact, with just a click on the icon, you can open Firefox, IE, or both at the same time. You will not be able to see both at the same time, but you can switch back and forth and it will cause no problems.

Actually, there is a LOT of difference between a DSL internet connection, and a Cable internet connection. I won't bog you down with a long complicated explanation, and they probably feel the same to you. Always on, broadband, etc. Just remember as you go down the road that the two are not the same and depending on whether you have DSL or Cable or Satelite or Dial Up requires a different approach on things.

I am not sure what you are asking in "does that mean my wife would have to change also..." If you are asking will she have to use Firefox only, the answer is no. You will have two browsers loaded on the computer - Firefox and IE. One will be the "default" browser (you will select that). If you sit down at the computer, and open Firefox, that is what you will use to get about the net. If your wife sits down at the same computer, she can either open IE, and use it to get about the net, or she can open Firefox and use it. Where you will see the difference is when you click on, or open something like a stored web page (stored on your computers hard drive). That web page will be opened by whichever browser you have designated as the default browser. Make sense?

Computers need to be networked together using CAT 5 wire. If your operating system is Windows 2000, or Windows XP you already have the software installed to do a peer to peer network. No extra software needed. You will probably have to buy a hardware hub (switch, router) but no additional software. Depending on the age of your machines, if your computers are set up for wireless communication you may find that it is a lot easier and more cost effective to set up a wireless network as opposed to running a bunch of CAT 5 wire to the different areas.

Good luck and let us know how you like Firefox.

Adios-----

Thank You,and yes my email is listed,and would like to know the difference with dsl compared to cable,comcast says theres is alot faster,well the att dsl was as fast,,and no lockups like im getting,,Ive had comcast up here so many times,Before i had the router,and my wife had the antenii,,Now its opposite,and comcast was the one that told me to keep the wireless,which they sold me,and wont take back,But there are guys on ebay that sell the cat 5 by the feet,and would take 20 mins for me to run,both comps are approx 70 feet away,no obbstructions,tell you he ruth att worked better,but comcast had a year special!!!Ive called he DPUC which regulates the state of ct. they must be in with comcast!!!!!!Looks like the cat 5 wire,or back to att.they were here 2 times in 3 years!!!!!!in a heartbeat,and a couple of bucks in the techs pocket goes along way,Plus they were confident in what they were doing,comcast is like a roll of the dice,!!!!!!

Believe me i have to listen to it everyday,att worked great, direct tv worked great,the phone is the only thing that works fine,and been going thru this since juky 14th,everyone they send id dumber than the other one,well,ill try fire fox today,and again thanks!!!!!Jack:D:D All this to save approx 400 a year,well that 100 gallons of oil!!!!:rolleyes:

[storts]

Last question,(i Hope):D Do I want custom or reg??????Install????Thanks again for all the help!!!!!!,Jack

[Rocky D]

I would do regular...custom can be confusing.

[storts]

I would do regular...custom can be confusing.

Rocky,Thanks for taking he time,well the lord hates a coward!!!!!!!!:D:D:D:D,Here goes,Thanks again,Jack:)!!!!!!!!!

[Archaic]

Jack:

Rocky is dead on. To give you a little more information. Generally speaking, a "Regular" or "Typical" install is the entire program. A "Custom" install is selected parts of the program. There are really only two reasons to ever select the custom installation. 1. You have limited hard drive space and cannot allocate space to do the full installation. 2. You are really techno savy and only want to install certain parts of the program to enable you to do certain things. In this day and age it is rare to find a computer with limited hard drive space. It is also cheap and relatively easy to gain real estate by installing a second hard drive, or replacing your existing hard drive with a much bigger one.

Unless you hit one of the two reasons above, where Firefox is concerned or for that matter any other software program, ALWAYS opt for the regular, or full installation. If you opt for custom, the first thing that will happen is you will get asked a large number of questions as to what you want to install, or don't want to install. Mostly you will not have a clue as to what needs to be installed. You will be back with fifty questions, not one.

Once you get Firefox installed, let me know if you are still getting hard hang ups. By the way. Once you install Firefox and start accessing the net, you may get a box thrown up that asks you if you want to install a "plug in." This usually has to do with Java or Flash. If you are at a safe, reputable site such as this one, tell it yes and install the plug in. You will need it to see certain parts of the site that are written in that code.

Adios-----

[Rocky D]

Say Arch...I ma having a problem with cookies in Firefox...not a big problem, but annoying....when I set the option to notify me when a change is being made to a cookie, I get notices that Firefox is changing them every time I switch to a new tab, or post a reply, and so on.. so I set it to keep until they expire...seems like they expire too quickly. This is causing me to have to re-logon even after I post a long message...this shouldn't happen.

[Archaic]

Rocky:

This can be a real butt scratcher to figure out. Odds are really good that it has something to do with your trying to block cookies. "When I set the option to notify me when a change is being made......" There is some confusion here. Cookies do not really get changed. Unless you have something different in Firefox than I am familiar with, your options are to allow cookies, or block cookies, and to notify you of any "new" cookie that is trying to be stored on your computer and ask you to allow or not. Once a cookie is stored, it is not changed. It will not leave your hard drive until it expires or you remove it.

In trying to block cookies, or asking to be notified before they are set, you may have accidently instructed Firefox to block cookies from a certain site. This is a subset of allow or block and does not get taken out when you go back to "allow cookies."

This could also be a function of how you have Firefox set up where cookies are concerned and the "new" Hobart forum. Hobart may or may not now be using third party cookies. Firefox can be set (checkbox) to not allow third party cookies. If Hobart is using third party cookies here could be your problem. Or not.

Do you know how to parse cookies? Look at them and you will see that some expire decades from now. Some are set to expire at "end of session." Couple of ways to go. Blow out all cookies on your browser. Then access the Hobart forum. Don't log in. Check and see which cookies have been set.

You should see these cookies owned (host) by www.hobartwelders.com

bblastactivity (it will expire in a little over a year)
bblastvisit (it will expire in a little over a year)
bbsessionhash (expires at end of session)

Now Log In

In addition to the three cookies above you should see these two cookies owned (host) by www.hobartwelders.com

bbpassword (it will expire in a little over a year) this will only appear if you checked the Remember Me Box
bbuserid (it will expire in a little over a year)

If you have these five cookies in Firefox you should be good to go. If you have the five and are still having the problem, we can troubleshoot further, but it gets to be a butt scratcher. You may want to consider that sometimes the best way to cure this problem is to uninstall Firefox, and then do a clean install of Firefox. This will get you back to the Firefox defaults. By default, Firefox will accept all cookies and not have any sites blocked.

I am a paranoid old coot. But, I hate being asked each and every time a site wants to set a cookie. I set my browser up to accept all cookies, but to block third party cookies. Then on a daily or weekly basis I remove all cookies. That gets rid of all the tracking cookies. You have to log into all web sites again, but hey, just because I am paranoid doesn't mean that someone is not really out to get me.

Adios-----

[Rocky D]

Arch, here's what I have right now...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/RockyD/My%20Favorite%20Tools/HOBART/OptionsFireFox.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/RockyD/My%20Favorite%20Tools/HOBART/CookiesHobartFireFox.jpg

[Archaic]

Rocky:

Sorry for the delay. Been busy. Back to it. From your last post I see some odd things. The cookies on your browser associated with Hobart,
_utma
_utmb
_utmc
_utmz
CP

These never appear on my browser. It could be that you have access to areas of the site that I do not. It could be that these are old cookies still hanging around from before the Hobart site change. What should really stand out to you is that there is no bbpassword and bbuserid cookie stored on your browser. Those are the login cookies. If you were logged in to the Hobart site when you took the screen shot, they should be there. If you were not logged in, and you prefer to log in each time you access the Hobart site (no check of the Remember Me box) that would explain their absence. But it is curious. Without those cookies if you try to reply to a message it will require you to log on. And these are not "end of session" cookies.

The other part that is curious is the problem with having to re logon after replying to a long message. What "sounds" like is happening is that after a certain period, your computer is signaling an "end of session", and since you do not have the password and userid cookies set it requires you to go through it again.

I told you this would be a butt scratcher. Here is what I would suggest.

Go into Firefox, and you know how to get there and remove all of the www.hobartwelders.com cookies. One at a time. Highlight the cookie. Click remove cookie. You will not screw anything up by doing this. If your browser needs one of the strange cookies it will just set it again. Log on and check the Remember Me box. Now check your cookies and see if you have the usual hobart cookies AND bbpassword and bbuserid cookie. See if this cures the problem with changing tabs and long replies. If you are still having problems, go into Firefox - Tools - Options - Privacy. Down at cookies, click on the Exceptions button. When the next screen comes up, in the box where it asks for "address of website" type www.hobartwelders.com and then click on the Allow button, and then the Close button.

If this does not cure your problems, things are going to get curiouser and curiouser. By the way, what version of Firefox are you using?

Adios-----

[Rocky D]

Rocky:

...
If this does not cure your problems, things are going to get curiouser and curiouser. By the way, what version of Firefox are you using?

Adios-----

I'm using 2.0.0.9
OK I deleted all cookies of Hobart, came to the website through the address bar, and checked the cookies...CP was gone...then I logged on and it is still gone, so now I will see if I still have the problem...I will check back in a few.

[smyrna5]

Rocky, you are bad luck. Since you brought this up, I have started having the same problem more than usual. I don't have it on this forum, but on some others I do seem to have to resign on more than I used to. One theory is that Firefox has an automatic update feature (if you leave it turned on). It is possible that they changed something recently which caused the problem. I know in the early days of Firefox I had to keep IE handy, because I could't even sign on to secure sites with Firefox.

[Rocky D]

Idid what Arch said and deleted all my cookies...it seems to have fixed the problem....I had a cookie called CP among all the rest and since it has been gone, I don't have the problem anymore.