Miller Trailblazer for Sale

[KIRKBY WELDING]

2003 Trailblazer 301G $2500 you pickup I am located in Elkton, MD
Unit looks new and has only 53 hrs on it.

[BSOK]

Do you have any pics that you could send me? Was it kept inside? Does it have a cover?

thanks
Brian

[precisionworks]

Here's a full description from the eBay listing.

http://tinyurl.com/dp8nw

The listing says, "The new trailblazer has the same specs" Yes, sort of. Except the TB302 is fully enclosed & baffled & much quieter.

Also, the TB302 has digital gauges (not sure what the 301G has).

[KIRKBY WELDING]

It has the same weld output
Ernie

[KIRKBY WELDING]

It has a new cover still in the box and the welder has been kept inside a climate controlled area

[coalsmoke]

I think you should double check these specs:



Stick/Tig CC/AC 30-225 amps at 60% duty cycle

CC/DC 20-300 amps 100% duty cycle

CV/DC MIG/FCAW 13-35 Volts 100% duty cycle

[KIRKBY WELDING]

They are the same, I think the CV mode as 2 volt more on the new one

[precisionworks]

AirGas has a "demo equipment" list that's updated every day. These machines are run at shows like FabTech. Trailblazer 302's (with under ten hours) are $3100.

To me, a two-year-old machine would be worth $2000 or less.

[Trent Combs]

AirGas has a "demo equipment" list that's updated every day. These machines are run at shows like FabTech. Trailblazer 302's (with under ten hours) are $3100.

To me, a two-year-old machine would be worth $2000 or less.


And it closed at $2325......

[KIRKBY WELDING]

If no one wants it thats ok If you can get a better deal get it I just wanted to recover as much $$$ as I can to put toward a new machine not try to take anyone to the bank.

[precisionworks]

Trent - That's the part I couldn't figure out ... why not send a Second Chance Offer to the person who bid $2325? That has to be top dollar for the machine. Plus the eBay listing fee is already paid & gone.

:confused:

[Trent Combs]

Perhaps he did, and the bidder declined, or he's just hoping for a bit more. Not really any of my business.

[KIRKBY WELDING]

Sold it today for $2500

[Trent Combs]

Good for you!

[NOS]

OK Kirkby! Glad ya got a good price for the trailblazer, and BTW,,,where could ya buy a Trailblazer 2 years ago for 2325 Trent? Not disputin ya but that's near a grand less than I was quoted around Vegas. Thats also why I bought the Hobart last summer, to replace the Lincoln 225 which blew-up. (4 cyl. ford flathead crank went south and cost more ta fix than a new Champion) Anyway the Trailblazer is a great machine IMO, and a good one is worth 2500 I would think provided ya need a Trailblazer.

I know I'm new here, and maybe I'm showin my ignorance, but I'd really like ta know WHO really needs a Trailblazer anyway? Seems like "everybody" has one tho they don't do a thing with it that I can't do with the Hobart. (Infact they do alot less.) What am I missing? Are the Trailblazer guys really that far advanced and I just don't see it? Most guys I know can't justify anything more capable than a basic Bobcat or Champion, and even if they could,,,they' couldnt justify the accesories needed ta make it do what it is capable of. (Tryin to learn something here from some of ya!) Can someone here "tune-me-up" and explain this to me? Not tryin ta start a fight,,,I'd really like to know what I'm missing!

[coalsmoke]

I know I'm new here, and maybe I'm showin my ignorance, but I'd really like ta know WHO really needs a Trailblazer anyway? Seems like "everybody" has one tho they don't do a thing with it that I can't do with the Hobart. (Infact they do alot less.) What am I missing? Are the Trailblazer guys really that far advanced and I just don't see it? Most guys I know can't justify anything more capable than a basic Bobcat or Champion, and even if they could,,,they' couldnt justify the accesories needed ta make it do what it is capable of. (Tryin to learn something here from some of ya!) Can someone here "tune-me-up" and explain this to me? Not tryin ta start a fight,,,I'd really like to know what I'm missing!

You're missing arc quality (really big selling point of the Trailblazer), among other things, like process options, selectable arc options, and duty cycle is a big one. I can run 280A hour after hour, 300A in CV, without stopping for a minute. The Hobart is a great hobby or farm machine, good for once in a while, but for a serious welder that makes thei living with it, the Hobart is often not an option.

[Trent Combs]

OK Kirkby! Glad ya got a good price for the trailblazer, and BTW,,,where could ya buy a Trailblazer 2 years ago for 2325 Trent? Not disputin ya but that's near a grand less than I was quoted around Vegas. [/I]

Right here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/MILLER-TRAILBLAZER-301G-WELDER_W0QQitemZ7561251379QQcategoryZ113743QQssPag eNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

That's the one he showed in the 2nd post of this thread.

[precisionworks]

If you want to run the Suitcase 12RC (which I use 75% of the time), you have to have the Trailblazer.

If you want to run the Spoolmatic 30A (which is a great money-maker) you'll want the Trailblazer.

If you want to portable TIG, you'll want the Trailblazer.

If you like being able to tune the arc & remote control the arc, you'll want the Trailblazer.

Other than that, the Bobcats, Hobarts & others are fine for light industrial use. If you earn income with an engine-drive, and want the best one under $4000, the TB302 is the hands-down choice.

[trevwelder]

OK Kirkby! Glad ya got a good price for the trailblazer, and BTW,,,where could ya buy a Trailblazer 2 years ago for 2325 Trent? Not disputin ya but that's near a grand less than I was quoted around Vegas. Thats also why I bought the Hobart last summer, to replace the Lincoln 225 which blew-up. (4 cyl. ford flathead crank went south and cost more ta fix than a new Champion) Anyway the Trailblazer is a great machine IMO, and a good one is worth 2500 I would think provided ya need a Trailblazer.

I know I'm new here, and maybe I'm showin my ignorance, but I'd really like ta know WHO really needs a Trailblazer anyway? Seems like "everybody" has one tho they don't do a thing with it that I can't do with the Hobart. (Infact they do alot less.) What am I missing? Are the Trailblazer guys really that far advanced and I just don't see it? Most guys I know can't justify anything more capable than a basic Bobcat or Champion, and even if they could,,,they' couldnt justify the accesories needed ta make it do what it is capable of. (Tryin to learn something here from some of ya!) Can someone here "tune-me-up" and explain this to me? Not tryin ta start a fight,,,I'd really like to know what I'm missing!



I have owned a Miller Bobcat and loved it, Until I traded it for my Trailblazer. I have the HF 250 for tig, and The 12rc wire feeder with it. The trailblazer will weld considerably better in all three processes. The Air ark capability is much greater. But I do alot of Air ark. Don't get me wrong, The bobcat is a nice machine(never use a Champion so I can't say on it.) but I really like the Trailblazer a hole lot better. Just my opinion.

[JTMcCracken]

You're missing arc quality (really big selling point of the Trailblazer), among other things, like process options, selectable arc options, and duty cycle is a big one. I can run 280A hour after hour, 300A in CV, without stopping for a minute. The Hobart is a great hobby or farm machine, good for once in a while, but for a serious welder that makes thei living with it, the Hobart is often not an option.


For a "serious welder" that's making a living with a machine, a two cylinder, air cooled high rpm engine is going to be a poor choice.
Probably a fine choice for an equipment mechanic or maintenance type or other guy that doesn't actually weld all day but people that do weld all day will normally step into the next range of machines that have large industrial low speed engines that will outlast the small ones many fold.
Not to bash on the Trailblazers but they are what they are. Same goes for the little Lincoln engine drives or any other brand for that matter.
Arc characteristics still fall to the engine drive DC generators. Rectified AC on it's best day (chopper machines aside) is still a somewhat rough immitation.

JTMcC.

[trevwelder]

For a "serious welder" that's making a living with a machine, a two cylinder, air cooled high rpm engine is going to be a poor choice.
Probably a fine choice for an equipment mechanic or maintenance type or other guy that doesn't actually weld all day but people that do weld all day will normally step into the next range of machines that have large industrial low speed engines that will outlast the small ones many fold.
Not to bash on the Trailblazers but they are what they are. Same goes for the little Lincoln engine drives or any other brand for that matter.
Arc characteristics still fall to the engine drive DC generators. Rectified AC on it's best day (chopper machines aside) is still a somewhat rough immitation.

JTMcC.


I agree with you. The larger machines are nice. However I use my Trailblazer almost every day. I do a lot of cutting and fitting, so its not welding all day, but it get used. In my opinion the Trailblazers (not the Trailblazer 350 pro) are cheap enough in price that I can trade in every two to three years, to keep with the newer technology. I have buddy that has the Miller air pack. Nice machine, but very expensive. I do a lot of aluminum with theTb 302 and it does pretty good for me.

[precisionworks]

JT is talking about running 8 - 10 - 12 hours a day on pipe, five or six days every week. The low-RPM diesel is the boss in that market, where the higher initial price returns a lower cost over time.

Those of us who use the TB302 rarely run them 40 hours per week (I'm happy to run mine 40 hours per month :D ) For the professional who earns PART of his living in field welding, it's a hard machine to beat.

With pricing well under $4000, it is attractive to consider selling the machine while still under warranty. Used Miller's bring a good price - Kirby sold his unit, almost three years old for $2500! With the 12RC or the Spoolmatic, it's a capable machine for most field repair work.

[coalsmoke]

I fully anticipate that for the next 3 years, this 302 will do everything I ask of it, whether it be 7 or 16 hour days, 5 or 7 day work weeks. I looked long and hard at buying a larger, well used machine or this 302 new, and the 302 just had the figures, everything from a lower weight (meaning I could stick with my trusty 3/4 tonne truck), to the operating cost, to the option of AC, or the 10kw aux power. If it stays reliable, it will be the smart choice for my first 3 years out on my own. That is, of course, until you send me that $11G check JT so I can upgrade to a TB 350 or pipe pro. BTW, saw a 350 (maybe it was the pipe pro, couldn't tell from 75 feet away) doing a high pressure gas line here the other day, so I guess they are getting some use. Still see lincoln more than anything when there is pipe work, but it will be interesting to see what then next 10 years hold. Technology doubles every 18months. Sooner or later something is going to surpass "true" dc, jsut depends how much money it takes to do it.

[Eric Carroll]

I have three 301gs. The one on my truck has 862 hours,Im not sure about the others but they are a lot higher, so lets focus on this one machine. 862X$55.00 per hour = $47,410--and I paid under 3200.00 for this one new.I dont know anyone that has had problems with these machines.U.S. Engineering (a mech contractor that does about $150 million a year)
has about 50 302s spread around nashville right now on a steam job.Why arent these machines good for the pro?I know how long a old lincoln will last-forever if treated right, but what is the life span for the new smaller machines?They havent been out long so I havent seen an old one.

[dda52]

Not sure about the boards, and stuff, but the motors will do 6000 hrs plus with proper PM. Say it was a 6K hour max....at your $55/hr that will get you $330,000.00. I could be wrong, but I believe it would have paid for itself by then. :rolleyes:

Don't worry about getting a smaller machine. They are just as serious a machine within it's design parameters. They will make you just as much money in the long run...or cost just as much. Just depends on how you look at it. If you have to upgrade every few years, so what. Just means you have newer equipment and less troubles down the road. I know of several companies that will upgrade every two yrs regardless of condition. They do not want to be out of warranty.

Now all that is considered within the design parameters of the machine. If you need bigger, of course you would need a bigger machine. I have yet to see a 400 amp air cooled machine. Doesn't mean they won't come up with one some day.

[coalsmoke]

thanks guys, that was the way I looked at it when I purchased the new 302 over a well used larger machine. Its nice to get a bit of positive reinforcement about the choice. Looking at everything else I have to put on the truck as well, I see now that there is no way I could carry a 1500lb welder and the compressor, bottles, etc.

[JTMcCracken]

I get a kick out of the "I bleed Miller blue" internet welders that own Trailblazers.
There is a place for just about every machine made, otherwise the manufacturers wouldn't waste time building them. But when these guys bow up and start spouting the ultimate arc comments about a rectified AC machine I have to chuckle.
There are lots of machines in use by those "serious welders" in making a living. Including the ones I own, I've made my living welding for over 20 years, just plain welding, not repairing equipment, not driving a truck, not as a salesman, not in IT, just welding. But I don't feel the need to steer everyone to the machines I use. They are the best made for my type of work but they aren't the only machine capable of making a killing with, especially when a lot of people will never do the work I do. Lots of different applications in the big old welding world calling for lots of different equipment.
But please realize that you can't go on the interweb (with credability amoungst the knowledgable) and tout your Trailblazer as the ultimate welding machine. May be the best for your circumstances, but certainly not suitable for mine. And it's really bad when the Trailblazer owners bash opon the Bobcat owners. The Bobcat may be the perfect tool for it's owner, and no you don't own the welding machine with the greatest arc ever, that still belongs to the real DC generator machines and Miller has never made one. :) :) :)

Have a day,
JTMcC.

[coalsmoke]

I get a kick out of the "I bleed Miller blue" internet welders that own Trailblazers. .... realize that you can't go on the interweb (with credability amoungst the knowledgable) and tout your Trailblazer as the ultimate welding machine.

I don't think anyone was saying the traolblazers are the ultimate. There is, by your own definition, no such "ultimate" machine. However, I think it would be fair to say that most people find that they are an exceptional machine. The old lincolns, while having a smoother arc, have prohibitive weights in the range of 1300 - 2200lbs which make them too heavy for a small complete rig such as mine.




May be the best for your circumstances, but certainly not suitable for mine. And it's really bad when the Trailblazer owners bash opon the Bobcat owners. The Bobcat may be the perfect tool for it's owner, and no you don't own the welding machine with the greatest arc ever, that still belongs to the real DC generator machines and Miller has never made one.

Have a day,
JTMcC.

Ever get the feeling that you might be rubbing people's noses in it?

[JTMcCracken]

Ever get the feeling that you might be rubbing people's noses in it?


Not at all, it's been pretty well known since before I was born. These machines are what they are. If you want what's considered "the" best aluminum tig machine on the planet you really need to buy a Miller Aerowave.
Same with smooth DC power, the best comes from a generator turned by either a motor or an engine. In todays world that means a Lincoln.
In the past I've kept the kids fed tig welding with SA200's and a Classic II and a wide variety of other machines (Miller, Lincoln, Linde, Powcon, GE, those purple machines) and some of them work pretty well and some are a bit harder to make nice work with but the best ever is still the Aerowave. I've seen increadable work done with other machines (some of the best with a SA200) tho.
I'm sure you will love your Trailblazer. Good luck with it, but remember it may be lightweight, versatile and innexpensive.........but smooth arc isn't where those machines shine the brightest.

JTMcC.

[precisionworks]

My nose is bleeding .....

[JTMcCracken]

My nose is bleeding .....


Seeing how this is the interweb, we'll just have to take your word for that :) :) :)

But I have my doubts ;)


JTMcC.

[JTMcCracken]

To be clear I'm not knocking those (or any) welding machines. I do take note of two different claims made that are a bit of a stretch. That's all. As you were soldiers ;)

JTMcC.

[coalsmoke]

Barry, band-aid is in the mail :)


Not at all, it's been pretty well known since before I was born. These machines are what they are. If you want what's considered "the" best aluminum tig machine on the planet you really need to buy a Miller Aerowave.
Same with smooth DC power, the best comes from a generator turned by either a motor or an engine. In todays world that means a Lincoln.
In the past I've kept the kids fed tig welding with SA200's and a Classic II and a wide variety of other machines (Miller, Lincoln, Linde, Powcon, GE, those purple machines) and some of them work pretty well and some are a bit harder to make nice work with but the best ever is still the Aerowave. I've seen increadable work done with other machines (some of the best with a SA200) tho.
I'm sure you will love your Trailblazer. Good luck with it, but remember it may be lightweight, versatile and innexpensive.........but smooth arc isn't where those machines shine the brightest.

JTMcC.

Sounds fair enough. It was just coming across to me like those "true dc" machines were the only real option if you were serious about welding. I tried an sa200 (about 30 years old) before I bought the tb, but was really unimpressed with its quality of arc. I later found out that the machine had aluminum windings. I know there have been many debates regarding whether aluminum windings are ok or a poor choice, so maybe there was something else wrong with that old sparker. It just wasn't a very forceful arc, and the puddle wanted to run like water in july. Vertical up was almost out of the question, and if you turned the amps down some and the penetration would be non-existant. Since I don't know enough about them to start speculating what was wrong, I just hedged my bets towards a new machine with a warranty that I could afford.

[NOS]

OK guy's,,,I got my *** handed to me on this one, BUT, Not many really need what the Trailblazer can do! A Bobcat or Champion would do nicely for most professional welders. Yes I am one,,,and the Champ. is well named IMO. To make the Trailblazer do anything the Champion won't,,,except provide more amps & A/C capabilitys , requires alota add-ons! Ya cant "tig" without TIG add-ons! Ya can't feed wire without a wire-feed, and they ALL cost alota money! The BASIC Trailblazer won't do a thing other than A/C that a Champion won't, and most Bobcats do that! IF ya NEED a Trailblazer, then yea, ya probably NEED one. IF ya have all the "add-ons" and can use them then YEA,,,maybe ya need one. IF ya just need a good honest ,self-propelled D/C welder, then the HOBART CHAMPION 10.000 is a good investment. I do make my livin with one, and I am a serrious welder that does well with a "hobby/farm" machine,,,,,,,,EVERY DAY! :eek:

[precisionworks]

If you stand back and look at these two classes of machines (high-RPM gas rectified VS low-RPM diesel generator) it's apparent that the comparison is unfair to both machines & to those who use them.

Sort of like medicine, where a Doc is either a specialist or a generalist.

The specialist does nothing but pipe, and uses primarily one of Lincoln's pipeline machines. Never mind the cost or weight, they are smooth as butter on warm toast in their ability to produce predictable & repeatable arc performance in every possible condition.

The generalist does it all - outdoor signage, tractor-trailer rigs, hardfacing, whatever comes in is what is done. Cost is an issue, as is weight (if my half-ton truck could talk, it would agree :D ) A multipurpose engine-drive that does a credible job on wirefeed, spoolgun, stick electrode, etc., is the best tool in that situation.

They are both the best at what they do best.

[JTMcCracken]

[QUOTE=precisionworks]If you stand back and look at these two classes of machines (high-RPM gas rectified VS low-RPM diesel generator) it's apparent that the comparison is unfair to both machines & to those who use them.

Sort of like medicine, where a Doc is either a specialist or a generalist.

The specialist does nothing but pipe, and uses primarily one of Lincoln's pipeline machines. Never mind the cost or weight, they are smooth as butter on warm toast in their ability to produce predictable & repeatable arc performance in every possible condition.

The generalist does it all - outdoor signage, tractor-trailer rigs, hardfacing, whatever comes in is what is done. Cost is an issue, as is weight (if my half-ton truck could talk, it would agree :D ) A multipurpose engine-drive that does a credible job on wirefeed, spoolgun, stick electrode, etc., is the best tool in that situation.


I've got to disagree there. My machine will only weld pipe???
I've bought over 100,000 pounds of structural shapes this year and every bit of it was welded with a Lincoln generator in either Classic I, Classic II or Classic 3D.
We also are very capable of welding any sign on the planet and I've shortened/stretched several big trucks as well as installing underwheel lifts on quite a few big truck wreckers.
Quite a bit of the pile/structural work we do calls for wire, we run 232 and 71 series daulshield in code applications. What am I missing here???
if you'de mentioned AC output you would have me, but as it is everything you commented on we have done in the last two years.
I have yet to run into the welding police telling me I can only weld pipe with my machines.

JTMcC.

[NOS]

That's NOT what he said JT! I'm sure you can weld pipe with **** near anything.
My point,,,,and I think his,,, was that the machine don't make the welder. Name-dropin don't mean squat. My point is that I'm gettin really tired of hearin "TRAILBLAZER", when most of the guys with em can't hold me and my Champ a light. Some can,,but **** few, and that's a fact.

[JTMcCracken]

That's NOT what he said JT! I'm sure you can weld pipe with **** near anything.
My point,,,,and I think his,,, was that the machine don't make the welder. Name-dropin don't mean squat. My point is that I'm gettin really tired of hearin "TRAILBLAZER", when most of the guys with em can't hold me and my Champ a light. Some can,,but **** few, and that's a fact.


I'm pretty sure you missed the point, and, I'm pretty sure I've not commenmted on anything you have had to say.

Have a day,
JTMcC.

[NOS]

OH I had a day JT! Betcha had one too!

EDIT,,,,I miss nothing Sir! Sorry ya decided to NOT respond .
.to anything I have had to say. I expect that you would have, if you could have found fault with what I've said

Now YOU "have a day" Sir!

[coalsmoke]

I have yet to run into the welding police telling me I can only weld pipe with my machines.

JTMcC.

I'll give them your name :rolleyes:

I have a technical question for you JT, as you seem to know lots about the lincoln series, are there any older "true dc" machines that are what you would term as a choice machine for pipe, that also offers 6,000 watts of aux ac? (preferably with some form of slope control too) I think the new vantages supply at least 6kw, if not more IIRC, but what about the older used machines that are more affordable (ie ~$5k). Secondly, if there is, are there any that offer clean enough power to run things such as plasma or a contained mig? I know that many of the older machines had a very dirty aux power and would burn out electronic devices, but would appreciate any specific models that qualify as above. I figured it might be good to keep a spare machine if I ever ran across a deal.

[dda52]

:rolleyes: Oh boy...here we go again. Comparing apples to grapefruits and comparing one by the others standards....again. Hasn't this horse been beaten enough? :confused:





I do know where the truck driver stab was aimed. Funny thing is I drove the truck one day and welded all the rest last week. All were persued in a serious manner, I assure you.

JT, I have said it before and will say it again...it ain't what you say, it is how you say it and come across that sets guys off on you. You have good info and good experiences to pass along. But when you get condescending, it is all lost. I am not trying to start another arguement...just point something out. I was going to say something else, but I am beating that horse again I'm afraid. I think I will just shut up now.

[JTMcCracken]

I'll give them your name :rolleyes:

I have a technical question for you JT, as you seem to know lots about the lincoln series, are there any older "true dc" machines that are what you would term as a choice machine for pipe, that also offers 6,000 watts of aux ac?


No theres none that even come close.

JTMcC.

[JTMcCracken]

:rolleyes: Oh boy...here we go again. Comparing apples to grapefruits and comparing one by the others standards....again. Hasn't this horse been beaten enough? :confused:





I do know where the truck driver stab was aimed..


?????????

Are you thinking you're the only truck driver in the world? I drove to L.A. and back Saturday and I saw a couple of million of them :confused:

I don't have enough brain power to dedicate to remembering who said what, when, and plotting my retaliatory "stabs" via thinly veiled, cryptic internet post's. You are giving me too much credit. I'm pretty simple.

JTMcC.

[dda52]

Hmmm. You have beat me over the cyber head with that one enough that you should remember it. Do I think I am the only one? No. Never even said that and never implied that once. You read into it what you want anyway.


another [/I] arguement...just point something out. I was going to say something else, but I am beating that horse again I'm afraid. I think I will just shut up now.

Since you ignored the pertinent point in order to make some point ......here is the important part. I'm done with this. I have way more important things to do.

[trevwelder]

My point is that I'm gettin really tired of hearin "TRAILBLAZER", when most of the guys with em can't hold me and my Champ a light. Some can,,but **** few, and that's a fact.


I chose a Trailbrazer because it had better capability to run mig and tig. Thats what I wanted. I had a Bobcat before and it was good, but I like the Trailblazer better. I think that a good welder should be able to perform no matter what machine he is useing. Im not a better welder because of the Trailblazer. I could still perform with the Champion. Maybe you can weld better than most, but there are alot guys out there that can weld pretty good with any welder.
I have always judged a welder by his/hers welds not by their machines.

[Jordan]

I work in a retail store and we sell Hobart. Hobart makes great machines but i would rather spend the jack and buy a Miller than i would a Hobart.. btw doesnt aint Hobart a division of Miller? i personal own a HH 175 and 235 AC stick by Hobart just because i bought both of these machines for less than 300 bucks with my employee discount and Hobart discontinuing (sp?) those machines. I am actually looking at buying a service truck now that has a Miller Trailblazer on it and a 2k air compressor on it made bye IR with a kohler engine. Those are the only two objects that make the service truck worth about 7 grand if that...

[NOS]

Trev,,Ya Nailed It! That's exactly what I was tryin ta say, ya just said it better than I. NO I don't weld better than MOST professional welders, but I do weld well, and I'm a pretty darn good fabricator so I'm told. That said, I would be the last to tell ya what machine ya need or want. There is no doubt that the Trailblazer is a fine machine. I've used one and it is very nice. For me and I dare say most welders out in the field, I believe that it is more machine than they will ever need. It's heavier, costs more, and without all the do-dads, wont do much a Champ/Bobcat won't. (Kinda like havin a 150 mph.Dodge Viper if ya don't race it, and the posted speed limit is 75mph.) That's all I'm sayin. Those that read thease things would think that nothing else would do,,, the way I see it, that just ain't true! I'd hate like **** for some guy ta think after readin all this "Trailblazer"crap, that a Champion or Bobcat won't do him a fine job. It depends on what a guy needs! I bought the Hobart cause it does what I need it to do, that and it ain't BLUE, ;) besides,,, my wife said it was "cute"! :rolleyes:

[lars66]

I'll give them your name :rolleyes:

I have a technical question for you JT, as you seem to know lots about the lincoln series, are there any older "true dc" machines that are what you would term as a choice machine for pipe, that also offers 6,000 watts of aux ac? (preferably with some form of slope control too) I think the new vantages supply at least 6kw, if not more IIRC, but what about the older used machines that are more affordable (ie ~$5k). Secondly, if there is, are there any that offer clean enough power to run things such as plasma or a contained mig? I know that many of the older machines had a very dirty aux power and would burn out electronic devices, but would appreciate any specific models that qualify as above. I figured it might be good to keep a spare machine if I ever ran across a deal.
i happen to have a 55 year old hobart that will run 1/4' lo hy all day every day& also run a 500 amp miller sigma 5cs cv or a pak 10 plasma cutter at full bore off the generator side.

[JTMcCracken]

I'll give them your name :rolleyes:


.


Oh believe me they've already got my name. My name rank and serial number in fact. ;)
And probably my picture and fingerprints too.


JTMcC.